Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Harry Veeder wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Michel Jullian wrote: >>> Paul, >>> >>> 1/ If you think the potential vs potential energy remark was just >> humor, you are showing great ignorance. Look up the definition of >> voltage = electric potential: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elect

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Michel Jullian wrote: >> Paul, >> >> 1/ If you think the potential vs potential energy remark was just > humor, you are showing great ignorance. Look up the definition of > voltage = electric potential: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_potential >> >> "Elec

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: > so it seems only the second and third way of looking at things (potential energy and work of forces) are equivalent in all cases. Bingo! Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Michel Jullian wrote: >> Paul, Paul, Paul you missed my point again, never mind :) >> >> To go back

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: > Paul, > > 1/ If you think the potential vs potential energy remark was just humor, you are showing great ignorance. Look up the definition of voltage = electric potential: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_potential > > "Electric potential is the potential energy

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Michel Jullian
So it would be a property of dipoles in fact, interesting indeed, keep us tuned! Michel - Original Message - From: "Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question > > > Miche

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
field energy as they draw together. Hmmm This deserves more thought... Maybe a full relativistic analysis could reconcile all approaches. Michel - Original Message - From: "Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:38 AM Subject:

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Michel Jullian
ereas magnetic field results from a motion? Maybe a full relativistic analysis could reconcile all approaches. Michel - Original Message - From: "Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question &

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Harry Veeder
A force field, an energy field ... a field of dreams. (Don't forget to dream.) Harry Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > Michel Jullian wrote: >> Paul, Paul, Paul you missed my point again, never mind :) >> >> To go back to your pet theory, since as you said the formulae for >> field energy

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Harry Veeder
John Berry wrote: > Almost all energy is potential energy really. > > Motion is potential as it depends of the reference frame, voltage is > potential. > > Just because you can measure it doesn't mean it's not potential, you can > measure gravity, magnetic fields, motion... Actually, the only t

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: Paul, Paul, Paul you missed my point again, never mind :) To go back to your pet theory, since as you said the formulae for field energy and potential energy are the same, there are in fact at least three equivalent ways to describe the same thing: field energy, or potent

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread John Berry
verything that doesn't fit" and delete it? Michel - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question > ... I got the humor in your previous post. ... > > All in all the third way: > &g

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Michel Jullian
ick "everything that doesn't fit" and delete it? Michel - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question > ... I got the humor in your previous post. ... > > All in all the third

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question > > >> Michel Jullian wrote: >>> (*) To Paul: typing this makes me realize that you cannot >> consistently deny the conc

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Michel Jullian
other way round as is commonly thought. How does the work approach fit with your violation theory? Michel - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question > Michel Jullian wrote: > >

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: > > To Harry: I don't know of a special name for dP/dt, what would be your use for > the second derivative of energy wrt time? I think the so-called natural forces should be reassessed in terms of power rather than force. The only natural power that is correctly assess

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread leaking pen
no, the way of phedre. heh. On 2/1/07, Harry Veeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: leaking pen wrote: >That which yields isn't always weak. The way of Tao? Harry -- That which yields isn't always weak.

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Harry Veeder
leaking pen wrote: >That which yields isn't always weak. The way of Tao? Harry

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: > (*) To Paul: typing this makes me realize that you cannot consistently deny the concept of potential energy and accept that of voltage (potential) :-) Michel, Michel, Michel ... we went over this. As previously stated, I do not consider the electric field as potenti

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-01 Thread Michel Jullian
t you cannot consistently deny the concept of potential energy and accept that of voltage (potential) :-) - Original Message - From: "leaking pen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question > depends wha

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-01-31 Thread leaking pen
depends what you mean by electrical power. by my understanding, wattage, the big way of measuring power, IS a change of electrical current over time. i could be mistaken, my understanding of units of electricity has always been iffy. On 1/31/07, Harry Veeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If elect

[Vo]: electricity question

2007-01-31 Thread Harry Veeder
If electrical power is P. Do electrical engineers have a special name for dP/dt? Harry