Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:53:18 -0400: Hi, [snip] >To the best of my knowledge, induction heating is the process of heating >electrically conducting object (magnetic types of stainless steel but not >non magnetic copper) by electromagnetic induction where eddy currents

RE: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread Jones Beene
One connection to a magnetic field could be to magnetostriction, which has been mentioned recently and in the past. So many decent ideas are passing through the forum nowadays, that a few good ones will be overlooked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostrictive The effect is small but it

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread francis
Gotjosh, I agree that it doesn't make sense - it challenges the assumption that the control loop is keeping the reaction carefully balanced between starving out below threshold or entering runaway while over threshold using the duty factor of the control signal. Fran .:.gotjosh

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread .:.gotjosh
; *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2011 3:53 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating? > > > > To the best of my knowledge, induction h eating is the process of heating > electrically conducting object (magnetic types of stainless

Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread .:.gotjosh
thanks for the clarification. does the patent and/or blog mention induction? or is this an advancement since the patent? i find many references to resistance but none to induction...but maybe i am missing something... On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:53, Axil Axil wrote: > To the best of my knowledge

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
lto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2011 3:53 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating? > > > > To the best of my knowledge, induction h eating is the process of heating > electrically conducting object

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread Roarty, Francis X
heaters not for heating? To the best of my knowledge, induction heating is the process of heating electrically conducting object (magnetic types of stainless steel but not non magnetic copper) by electromagnetic induction where eddy currents are generated within the metal and resistance leads

Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
To the best of my knowledge, induction heating is the process of heating electrically conducting object (magnetic types of stainless steel but not non magnetic copper) by electromagnetic induction where eddy currents are generated within the metal and resistance leads to Joule heating of the metal.

Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread .:.gotjosh
axil, please forgive me if these are ignorant questions: are you sure that the heating elements are "inductive"? isn't there a difference between inductive heating and resistive heating? Isn't it true that inductive heating will not work with copper? On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:05, Axil Axil wrot

Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
The current producing the inductive heating will flow primarily on the outside surface of the stainless steel reaction vessel (RV) wall due to the skin effect. Little or a reduced current will flow on the inside surface of the RV wall. No magnetic field will exist on the inside of the RV where the

Re: [Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread .:.gotjosh
Hey Mark! Axil and I have been dancing around this idea also in a recent thread (http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg45022.html) I have a strong feeling that there are some electro-magnetic effects playing an important role here. and I also found this tidbit on wikipedia: > Nicke

[Vo]: resistive heaters not for heating?

2011-04-18 Thread Mark Iverson
Could the magnetic field generated by the resistive heaters be inducing some other effects that help promote the reaction, or inductively heat the Nickel??? -Mark