so need to be
considered, and also if the building is effectively vented as discussed else
where.
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 20:09:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial
ventilation would be fatal
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Jed, if I understand you right the world is full of idiots and scammers and
potential jailbirds.
All technical skepticism you have been provided are done by people without
common sense.
You obviously have more information than anyone else (only from IH?) and
that means your opinion is the one that
Alan Fletcher wrote:
I accept your claim that 1MW in an un-ventilated, insulated room would be
> fatal.
>
> But that is not the case : a 30,000 CPM is sufficient to ventilate it, and
> there is a fan (of similar dimensions to one particular example) on the
> roof. (Plus convective loss, which wou
ssi's" man.
From: "Jed Rothwell"
To: "vortex-l"
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial
ventilation would be fatal
a.ashfield < a.ashfi...@verizon.net > wrote:
Your cl
Alan Fletcher wrote:
The point is that this thread's title : "1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft.
> facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal" is false.
>
Are you saying this would not be true? Are you saying that putting 25
heaters into an enclosed room with no fan, turning them on wit
a.ashfield wrote:
> Your claim that the heat released from the 1 MW plant would be fatal has
> been shot down.
>
That was not my claim. You are making a straw-man argument.
My claim was that without industrial grade ventilation, when you heat a
space with 26 times more heat than is normally us
Jed,
Your claim that the heat released from the 1 MW plant would be fatal has
been shot down.
Likewise, your certainty of fraud because Rossi was the one who
prevented IH from visiting the customer.
Your other evidence of fraud seem to come mainly from what IH has told
you. Before accepting
The point is that this thread's title : "1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft.
facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal" is false.
On the contract point, re-read the IH/Rossi contract
https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/rossi_et_al_v_darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__
Alan Fletcher wrote:
The roof has one circular roof fan at the left, and a rectangular box at
> the other.
>
I believe the box on the right is a skylight window.
We are talking about this photo, which I think was taken in 2014. That's
when the street view photos were taken.
https://www.google.
The roof has one circular roof fan at the left, and a rectangular box at the
other.
Presuming that the manufacturing area was was adjacent to JM's offices (on the
left) the left-most circular fan vents the manufacturing area.
Heres the fan : http://lenr.qumbu.com/steampics/160521_fans_01.jpg
John wrote:
> Your assumption that all the power used by the customer's plant must end
> up in heat in the room is not valid. A quick search of J.M Products Corp
> indicates that they are in the chemicals business - wholesale and
> *manufacturing*. I am not a chemist but I would guess that the
There isn't evidence for almost everything besides words from IH and
Rossi/Lewan. But the area required for cooling is small, so I don't think
that this point is a big issue.
2016-05-21 16:56 GMT-03:00 David Roberson :
> Is there evidence for the existence of an input opening adequate to
> achiev
a.ashfield wrote:
> There is a difference between saying "in my opinion Rossi is a fraud" and
> a statement of fact, that you have made several times. "Rossi is a fraud."
Okay, let me put it this way: The evidence that he is a fraud is now
overwhelming in my opinion.
> For the latter you
Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial
ventilation would be fatal
That's a surprisingly small volume. The machine has one of its smaller
dimensions 3 meters. So, even 1.5m/s per second at one end would cool the
device.
on.
From: "Jed Rothwell"
To: "vortex-l"
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:00:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial
ventilation would be fatal
Peter Gluck < peter.gl...@gmail.com > wrote:
Jed you say you know the data
Why do you assume there were no tubes taking the heat through the ceiling.
Even in the 10/28/2011 1MW there were. And indeed, there was a model of
fan similar to the smallest model displayed on the site you gave the link.
At least that I could see in the video by Mats Lewan.
2016-05-21 16:37 GM
uot;vortex-l"
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:29:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial
ventilation would be fatal
That's a surprisingly small volume. The machine has one of its smaller
dimensions 3 meters. So, even 1.5m/s per second at one end would cool the
device.
12:21:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial
ventilation would be fatal
Correction ... the photos on that page were lower CFM ... 36 to 42 inch
diameter, not so teeny tiny.
eg http://www.industrialfansdirect.com/IND-FA-EF-PM-A/LFI-ADD36T11000B.ht
-----
> *From: *"Alan Fletcher"
> *To: *"vortex-l"
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:37:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without
> industrial ventilation would be fatal
>
> This chimney sizing link doesn't
Correction ... the photos on that page were lower CFM ... 36 to 42 inch
diameter, not so teeny tiny.
eg http://www.industrialfansdirect.com/IND-FA-EF-PM-A/LFI-ADD36T11000B.html 30K
CFM, 36 inch
From: "Alan Fletcher"
That's a teeny tiny little fan!
http://www.industrialfansdirect.com/wall-v
rday, May 21, 2016 10:37:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial
ventilation would be fatal
This chimney sizing link doesn't really apply --- it's for natural draft up a
chimney of a given height and diameter -- WITHOUT a fan.
(The longer t
On 21/05/2016 11:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Once again people have claimed you can release 1 MW with no ill
effects in a small facility, without industrial scale ventilation.
People should apply some common sense metrics!
Rossi says the facility is 6,500 sq. feet. Conventional heating calls
This chimney sizing link doesn't really apply --- it's for natural draft up a
chimney of a given height and diameter -- WITHOUT a fan.
(The longer the chimney the higher velocity of the draft, so a given diameter
can exhaust more heat. They recommend " The velocity of air and flue gas in a
sma
Jed,
If, as likely, the output of the E-Cats was not much above 100C, one
would need some provision to ensure there wasn't excessive water carry
over. Indeed without that the whole system might fill with liquid.
Until shown otherwise I expect that was done. I also expect the steam
to be wet
Jed,
There is a difference between saying "in my opinion Rossi is a fraud"
and a statement of fact, that you have made several times. "Rossi is a
fraud." For the latter you could be sued for libel in court.
Peter Gluck wrote:
Jed you say you know the data but have to keep them secret.
> Correct?
>
Rossi himself revealed some of the most important details in his interview
with Lewan. His numbers show that the temperature was close to 100 deg C.
With just a little pressure, a slight error in the temp
Jed you say you know the data but have to keep them secret.
Correct?
Can you please tell the most 'innocent' ones- the daily consumes of
electric energy from the grid by the 1MW plant?
peter
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> a.ashfield wrote:
>
>
>> Jed, I gave you one exa
a.ashfield wrote:
> Assuming Rossi (and others) are guilty before the trial is not the
> American way.
>
This only applies to the courts and the legal system. A citizen outside the
legal system is free to decide someone is guilty or innocent. That is no
violation of tradition or law. I am not a
a.ashfield wrote:
> Jed, I gave you one example from first hand experience, that was a 1.5
> ton/day art glass furnace and someone else provided examples of 4 MW
> boilers. So common sense tells me it is not unreasonable to do so.
>
How much power did your glass furnace consume?
Was the facil
Jed,
Assuming Rossi (and others) are guilty before the trial is not the
American way.
Or do you prefer Napoleonic law?
Jed. "Once again people have claimed you can release 1 MW with no ill
effects in a small facility, without industrial scale ventilation.
People should apply some common sense metrics!"
Jed, I gave you one example from first hand experience, that was a 1.5
ton/day art glass furnace and someone
Once again people have claimed you can release 1 MW with no ill effects in
a small facility, without industrial scale ventilation. People should apply
some common sense metrics!
Rossi says the facility is 6,500 sq. feet. Conventional heating calls for
no more than 20 BTU/sq. ft. in Florida. That's
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