Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: One wonders how these coffee plants ever survived the 10°C colder temperatures of the last ice age, or the 3°C hotter temperatures of the Holocene Climate Optimum 5-9000 years ago. They did not exist. No domesticated plants existed 9,000

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: One wonders how these coffee plants ever survived the 10°C colder temperatures of the last ice age . . . They did not exist. No domesticated plants existed 9,000 years ago, and none could survive in the wild alone without human protection. I meant that present-day domesticated

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread James Bowery
I once asked a DoE official why the military costs in the middle east are not included in the import cost of foreign oil. His answer was that it was a matter of national policy (which is to say industrial policy in other words). I was on the GOP platform committee for Iowa's third congressional

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
These two incoming comets for 2013 may bring us the BIG CHILL you are looking for as happened in 1811 and 1680. They are the great condensers of matter. Fire up the gas turbines, dress warm and behold. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Monday, November 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote: I once asked

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Interesting strategy! US military costs in the Middle East have a lot more to do with Israel than with oil, though. Middle Eastern governments view oil and gas exports as a commercial matter: they love to have export contracts, and (until the US invaded Iraq -- motivated by pro-Israel US

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I once asked a DoE official why the military costs in the middle east are not included in the import cost of foreign oil. That would be great! Except you can't charge the whole thing off, so it would be difficult to put a dollar value on it. It would be

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Climate change threat to Arabica coffee crops http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20252472 The dreadful price wrought by climate change mounts increasingly higher. There's always Jamaican Blue Mountain.

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-11 Thread Axil Axil
All Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee is grown from the Arabica species of coffee. So sad, this product is also on the road to eventual extinction. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-11 Thread Robert Lynn
Another hyperbolic Climate Change scare story. Arabica is grown between 600 and 2000m altitude. At typical 0.65°C per 100m lapse rate in tropics that is a about an 8°C temperature range. The world warmed by 0.7°C last century, (though no rise in last 15 years) so that the same temperature