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> From: Mauro Lacy
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 10:17:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Detecting absolute motion
>
> On 04/24/2011 11:06 AM, Michele Comitini wrote:
> > Can quantum entanglement be used for syncronizing?
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On 04/24/2011 03:56 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
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From: Mauro Lacy
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 1:56:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Detecting absolute motion, quantum reloaded
On 04/24/2011 02:33 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
If experiment does
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> From: Mauro Lacy
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 1:56:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Detecting absolute motion, quantum reloaded
>
> On 04/24/2011 02:33 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> > If experiment does detect a differe
On 04/24/2011 02:33 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
If experiment does detect a difference in the arrival times won't the relativits
just say it results from spatial contraction?
Maybe, but, who cares. The experiment is not trying to refute relativity
theory, but to detect absolute motion.
If the
If experiment does detect a difference in the arrival times won't the
relativits
just say it results from spatial contraction?
Harry
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> From: Mauro Lacy
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 1:07:34 PM
> Subject: [Vo]:Detectin
I think we nailed it down? Here then goes the "quantum reloaded" version
of the same experiment.
An experiment devised to detect absolute motion.
The experiment is very simple in theory, although it can be relatively
complex to realize it in practice: To measure the time a ray of light
takes
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> From: Craig Haynie
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 7:07:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Detecting absolute motion
>
> where their respective clock hands happen to pointing after they have
> reached
> > the separation
Michele,
Great Question! I have often considered that entangled particles might be
spatially pivoting from a locked time co-ordinate - inherently synchronized
but it never occurred to me to use it for this purpose.
Regards
Fran
On 04/24/2011 11:06 AM, Michele Comitini wrote:
Can quantum entanglement be used for syncronizing?
That was what I was thinking. It sounds feasible. A non-local clock can
be devised, based on the properties
of quantum entanglement: A remote entangled particle will
instantaneously inform a
Can quantum entanglement be used for syncronizing?
2011/4/24 Mauro Lacy :
> On 04/23/2011 10:12 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote:
>
> On 4/24/2011 6:13 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
>
>
> On 04/23/2011 06:57 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps you have overlooked a key point. How do you prop
On 04/23/2011 10:12 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote:
On 4/24/2011 6:13 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
On 04/23/2011 06:57 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Perhaps you have overlooked a key point. How do you propose to
synchronize clocks which are spatially separated? That's not a trivial
On 04/23/2011 06:13 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
> On 04/23/2011 06:57 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>> Perhaps you have overlooked a key point. How do you propose to
>> synchronize clocks which are spatially separated? That's not a trivial
>> question.
>>
>
> ? You can synchronize them together,
yro is
enhanced by having a long optical fiber coiled for compactness, but in which
the Sagnac effect is multiplied according to the number of turns. [ /wiki
snip.]
Fran
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyroscope
Re: [Vo]:Det
where their respective clock hands happen to pointing after they have
reached
> the separation distance and A yells out to B . When B hears A he will know he
> has to turn back his clock the amount of time it took A's voice to reach
> him (the separation distance divided by the speed of sound).
I have been thinking a lot on how to differentiate between rotational motion
where the curvature or rotation radius is very high and translational
motion. In the case when gravity balances centrifugal acceleration it
becomes hard. There are methods involving thermal motion. I have mentioned
these e
Mauro wrote:
> I was just trying to emphasize, perhaps not a very good or
> clear way, that there are no relative velocities of the two clocks involved.
>
>
What matters is that when the clocks are together and are both at rest in the
same frame
they are both ticking at the same rate. T
There can be no absolute clock synchronization. Even the best of
clocks, cesium beam standards, depend on the transition of a
particular electron's orbit. The same space variations which are to
be measured will vary the transition of the electron's time transition
and the result differential will
On 4/24/2011 6:13 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
On 04/23/2011 06:57 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Perhaps you have overlooked a key point. How do you propose to
synchronize clocks which are spatially separated? That's not a trivial
question.
Indeed, as Stephen rightly points out, that is the very ke
On 04/23/2011 06:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 04/23/2011 05:17 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
On 04/23/2011 05:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
...
In short, according to Lorentz's theory, the aether can't be detected
through velocity measurements. There is an "aether frame" but the
On 04/23/2011 06:57 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Perhaps you have overlooked a key point. How do you propose to
synchronize clocks which are spatially separated? That's not a trivial
question.
? You can synchronize them together, and separate them afterwards?
On 04/23/2011 04:35 PM,
On 04/23/2011 05:17 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
> On 04/23/2011 05:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>> ...
>> In short, according to Lorentz's theory, the aether can't be detected
>> through velocity measurements. There is an "aether frame" but there is
>> no way to tell how fast you're moving relati
Perhaps you have overlooked a key point. How do you propose to
synchronize clocks which are spatially separated? That's not a trivial
question.
On 04/23/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
> On 04/23/2011 05:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>> What you may not be aware of is that the final
On 04/23/2011 05:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
...
In short, according to Lorentz's theory, the aether can't be detected
through velocity measurements. There is an "aether frame" but there is
no way to tell how fast you're moving relative to it.
Again: I'm not proposing taking any velo
On 04/23/2011 05:35 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
On 04/23/2011 05:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 04/23/2011 10:14 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
That way, absolute motion will be detected in the direction at which
the time delta is greater. The light ray will take longer, travelling
at a fixed
On 04/23/2011 01:53 PM, francis wrote:
On Sat 4/23/11 Mauro wrote
[SNIP]
The proposed explanation is as follows:
1) Light is not "pushed" by the emitting device. It leaves the emitting
device as a perturbation in the medium, and propagates at a fixed velocity.
That velocity is dependant only o
On 04/23/2011 05:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 04/23/2011 10:14 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
That way, absolute motion will be detected in the direction at which
the time delta is greater. The light ray will take longer, travelling
at a fixed velocity, to reach the receiving device, because
On 04/23/2011 10:14 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
> That way, absolute motion will be detected in the direction at which
> the time delta is greater. The light ray will take longer, travelling
> at a fixed velocity, to reach the receiving device, because the travel
> distance in that direction will be gr
On Sat 4/23/11 Mauro wrote
[SNIP]
The proposed explanation is as follows:
1) Light is not "pushed" by the emitting device. It leaves the emitting
device as a perturbation in the medium, and propagates at a fixed velocity.
That velocity is dependant only on the medium, and is c when the medium is
On 04/23/2011 11:14 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
An experiment devised to detect absolute motion.
Like I said in the past, the experiment is very simple in principle: To
measure the time a ray of light takes to go from one direction to
another, one-way. That is, without the return time.
The total trav
An experiment devised to detect absolute motion.
Like I said in the past, the experiment is very simple in principle: To
measure the time a ray of light takes to go from one direction to
another, one-way. That is, without the return time.
The total travel time is usually known as round-trip-t
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