[Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
There has been some discussion on this list in the past regarding electronic voting and the vital role played by a voter-verified paper trail. In 2002 the U.S. election system was reformed, with the passage of HAVA (the Help America Vote Act), which aims to eliminate the problems caused by punch

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: There is *NO* *MENTION* of a voter verified paper record. There is *NO* requirement that the voter be allowed to *see* the paper record indicating how they voted. The link you point is the 2002 law. Do you mean the replacement S.3212, Bipartisan Electronic Voting

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: There is *NO* *MENTION* of a voter verified paper record. There is *NO* requirement that the voter be allowed to *see* the paper record indicating how they voted. The link you point is the 2002 law. Do you mean the replacement S.3212,

RE: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Rick Monteverde
, 2008 8:00 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over? Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: There is *NO* *MENTION* of a voter verified paper record. There is *NO* requirement that the voter be allowed to *see* the paper record indicating how they voted. The link you point is the 2002

RE: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: Funny that technophiles like us would object to these the way we do. I guess it's because we know easily computer systems can often be defeated even when they're touted as being rock solid. Heck, most of the time you don't even have to *try* to get them to fail. Well, I

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Edmund Storms
You all would fail at solving murder mysteries. Consider the facts: 1. Diebold makes ATMs, which are secure. Therefore, they know how to do a good job. 2. Diebold is owned by people who are strong supporters of the Republican party. Therefore they have a self interest in gaming the

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread John Berry
I don't have time to go into it at this moment but I believe I have found a way to have online voting secure and cheat proof if anyone is curious, it's not really hard. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You all would fail at solving murder mysteries.

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: You all would fail at solving murder mysteries. Consider the facts: 1. Diebold makes ATMs, which are secure. Therefore, they know how to do a good job. 2. Diebold is owned by people who are strong supporters of the Republican party. Therefore they have a self interest in

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Edmund Storms
Great John, now if you can convince the fools who buy systems for the voting public to use your method, we might be saved from a disaster in November. Ed On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:32 PM, John Berry wrote: I don't have time to go into it at this moment but I believe I have found a way to have