Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
It lakes good question to ask, because we speculate on unknown data. It is hard to imagine they have made student mistakes... the transparency question look less "student stupid" than others, but someone handling an IR cam can easily understand the the measurement suffer artifact... as asked Jed,

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-13 Thread Jack Cole
Exploring the colors some more. If you zoom in on the hottest area and use a color picker to get the color, you can compare that specific color with a color temperature chart. Looking at the hottest spot, the temperature could be between 1570C and 2426C. I used the color picker in Gimp to get th

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-13 Thread Jack Cole
Additionally, I think we may be able to examine the issue more experimentally by using similar materials. For example, here is a spiral grooved alumina tube. http://dengfengjinyu.en.made-in-china.com/product/KqaEYeWMfSVC/China-Alumina-Tube-Spiral-Groove-.html On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Jac

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-13 Thread Jack Cole
The trouble is, we don't know when that picture was taken and to what extent the camera affected the color. I suspect one of the engineers here could take the temperature data from the caps vs. the core area and compare the dummy vs. the active run. Since the caps are not incandescent, perhaps th

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread H Veeder
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:43 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I refer to the opposite effect in this case Harry. In other words, can > the color appear to be too dark in the visual region to our eyes compared > to the emission of thermal energy in the IR. > > Are there surfaces that are very poor em

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread Robert Lynn
t; > -Original Message- > From: H Veeder > To: vortex-l > Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color > > what is the other direction? > (I am having hard time following the flow of thought in this particular > thread)

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread David Roberson
and I am quite tired. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color what is the other direction? (I am having hard time following the flow of thought in this particular thread) harry

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread H Veeder
; To: vortex-l > Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 4:39 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color > > Jed, > > As someone experienced with working at these kinds of temperatures in > the glass industry, it was obvious that the temperature shown in the > image is way belo

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread David Roberson
Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color Jed, As someone experienced with working at these kinds of temperatures in the glass industry, it was obvious that the temperature shown in the

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread Robert Lynn
I would concur regarding the colour being too cold, but I have seen previous pictures where digital cameras also do not show just how bright something is glowing (from work in engine testing with exhausts at a precisely measured 900°C) so would not be too critical on that alone. The visible bandin

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread a.ashfield
Jed, As someone experienced with working at these kinds of temperatures in the glass industry, it was obvious that the temperature shown in the image is way below the reported operating temperature. I don't know whether this is because it was warming up, or because many consumer cameras don't

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
They might have taken this photo before it got white hot. At lenr-forum.com I added this to the list of questions. - Jed

[Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

2014-10-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Figures 12a and 12b show the reactor is incandescent. It looks like the wrong color for a surface temperature as high as claimed. I would say this is about 900°C. As much as I hate to cite Wikipedia . . . See this color chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescence#mediaviewer/File:Incandesce