Re: FW: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2011-04-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
. Regards, Mauro My point is that etheric drift should be measured as time dilation not velocity and that it remains negligible at our scale. Fran [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2 froarty572 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:06:51 -0800 I have a problem with the M&M experiment. They assume

FW: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2011-04-23 Thread francis
aged at all while years have elapsed from it’s perspective. My point is that etheric drift should be measured as time dilation not velocity and that it remains negligible at our scale. Fran [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2 froarty572 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:06:51 -0800 I have a pro

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
> > > On 01/29/2010 12:35 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: >>> I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) to clearly show what I mean by "reality is not relative", but I'll not do that. >>> >>> Your cho

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/29/2010 12:35 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: >> >> >> On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: >> >>> I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) >>> to >>> clearly show what I mean by "reality is not relative", but I'll not do >>> that. >> >> Your choice. You understan

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
> > > On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: > >> I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) >> to >> clearly show what I mean by "reality is not relative", but I'll not do >> that. > > Your choice. You understand what you mean, you could explain it, but > you won't

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Gibson Elliot
[Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:24 PM Gibson Elliot wrote: > Re-examine the deliberate glossing over of scientific fact? Hmm > perhaps we could look at Lorentz and what he threw away to make his > equations work? > I know tha

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: > I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) to > clearly show what I mean by "reality is not relative", but I'll not do > that. Your choice. You understand what you mean, you could explain it, but you won't. End of conver

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
> > > On 01/29/2010 10:19 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: > >> >> That's simply not true. Read the papers I've pointed out. >> Miller consistently obtained fringe shifts, > > Yes, Miller was the only one who got a drift result. Nobody has > replicated his results. Miller replicated M & M results, with more

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/29/2010 10:19 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: > > That's simply not true. Read the papers I've pointed out. > Miller consistently obtained fringe shifts, Yes, Miller was the only one who got a drift result. Nobody has replicated his results. A careful modern analysis of Miller's results indicate

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
> > > On 01/28/2010 07:26 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: >> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >>> On 01/28/2010 03:05 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: >>> I have a problem with the M&M experiment. They assume an aether that moves with respect to space yet SR uses a right triangle rule where th

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/28/2010 09:03 PM, Chris Zell wrote: > Perhaps y'all could enlighten me. I never understood the blanket > rejection of 'ether' when radiation resistance is an engineering fact. > > In the design of RF antennas, there is a radiation resistance of about > 328 ohms. Clearly, something out t

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/28/2010 08:20 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: > Stephen, > >Thank you for the explanation, I wasn't aware of anything called > Lorentz ether theory existed but will be investigating it shortly. At least > > I am not crazy - someone with chops came to similar conclusion and now I > c

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/28/2010 07:26 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >> On 01/28/2010 03:05 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I have a problem with the M&M experiment. They assume an aether that >>> moves with respect to space yet SR >>> >>> uses a right triangle rule where the spatia

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread froarty572
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:58:34 -0800 Gibson Elliot Gibson Elliot wrote.. "Ether is consumed by mass, that's gravity, a pretty measurable effect in my book!" I agree with Tesla's observation but it is incomplete..you can't "just" eat ether endlessly -you must also expell it. Puthoff's atomi

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Mauro Lacy
Gibson Elliot wrote: > Re-examine the deliberate glossing over of scientific fact? Hmm > perhaps we could look at Lorentz and what he threw away to make his > equations work? > I know that LR is flawed also. I very much would like to hear your explanation. > > That's unlikely to occur, why thro

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Zell
Perhaps y'all could enlighten me.  I never understood the blanket rejection of 'ether' when radiation resistance is an engineering fact.   In the design of RF antennas, there is a radiation resistance of about 328 ohms.  Clearly, something out there is 'resisting' the emission of RF.  In additio

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread froarty572
Stephen,    Thank you for the explanation, I wasn't aware of  anything called Lorentz ether theory existed but will be investigating it shortly. At least I am not crazy - someone with chops came to similar conclusion and now I can just reference LET instead of trying to reinvent the wheel

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Gibson Elliot
at current flock refers to as "Dark Matter". I rant, and this will all come out soon anyway. And hey without peer reviewed materials none will take this seriously anyway, so why do I bother? just frustration I guess. Let time be the final judge...   Gibson From: Mauro Lacy Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > On 01/28/2010 03:05 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: > >> I have a problem with the M&M experiment. They assume an aether that >> moves with respect to space yet SR >> >> uses a right triangle rule where the spatial rate is assumed to be >> perpindicular to C. Why i

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/28/2010 03:05 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: > I have a problem with the M&M experiment. They assume an aether that > moves with respect to space yet SR > > uses a right triangle rule where the spatial rate is assumed to be > perpindicular to C. Why isn't gamma considered proof of ether

[Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread froarty572
I have a problem with the M&M experiment. They assume an aether that moves with respect to space yet SR uses a right triangle rule where the spatial rate is assumed to be perpindicular to C . Why isn't gamma considered proof of ether? My point is that the ether may be moving at C perpindicul