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2011-05-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Both, yes. I've argued Smaller is Better, but only for exploratory research. Once you have something that you can reproduce, then making it bigger and stronger becomes the new goal. You *start* with the small system and explore the hell out of it, you don't just leap

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2011-05-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:52 PM 5/10/2011, you wrote: The same personality trait which shows up as sloppiness is also what makes him say "low level heat is useless! Forget about anything less than a kilowatt!" He does not want to fool around with difficult-to-measure reactions that are only of scientific interest.

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2011-05-11 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:12 PM, wrote: > >> >> >> This is based on the assumption that the actual operating temperature is >> indeed >> 400C @ 15 kW. If it's in fact much less, then 130 kW for a short period >> may not >> be a problem.

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2011-05-10 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:12 PM, wrote: > > > This is based on the assumption that the actual operating temperature is > indeed > 400C @ 15 kW. If it's in fact much less, then 130 kW for a short period may > not > be a problem. Perhaps it only gets up to 400C when the output is really > high? > >

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2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson wrote: > It wouldn't doubt it if Rossi has been working tirelessly, 16 hour days or > more, for 6 months straight or longer... is there any doubt that he might > tend to make more than the usual number of errors in his recollections, and > mistakes when writing/reviewing patents and

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2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I also agree that Rossi has a habit of getting involved with people he > should not, and making himself look bad. His web pages are a case in point. > Especially the part where he lists an advisor who does not seem to exist. Now we learn he made a typo in a patent application. This

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2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > If there is a problem with Defkalion management, and Krivit has posted most > of the names over there on his blog, then there are three names that stand > out. Strongly stand out ! I will be posting more on this very soon, since > if > the taint of an IPO scam can be address

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2011-05-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 23:19:05 -0500: Hi, [snip] >What makes that private experiment even harder to take seriously is the >claimed 130 kW excursion. Rossi has on occasion mentioned an optimum >operating temperature of about 400C. If this temperature provides the usua

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2011-05-10 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Joshua, > > In one of my original posts I stated the fact that, in my opinion, > Rossi's current e-Cat configurations are probably not configured in > such a manner as to generate steam that is much

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2011-05-10 Thread Joshua Cude
In an earlier post svj wrote: "As best as I can tell, you appear to be transfixed at ground zero, seemingly acting as the last remaining sane skeptic in this sorry gullible world, the one last intelligent, logical, rational, person left who knows better, who knows he is absolutely certain Rossi's

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2011-05-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Joshua: ... > Eventually, in a few years Rossi will simply fade away > like Patterson from the 90s, and the CF community will > make excuses like his stock of lucky catalyst ran out > and he found he was unable to make more, and you will > refuse to admit you were wrong. Thank you for shar

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2011-05-10 Thread Joshua Cude
2011/5/10 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > > > We will all know soon enuf whether Rossi's controversial e-cats > deliver the bacon, or not. > > Actually, I don't think we (meaning you) will know. Judging from past practice, Rossi's device is unlikely to come to a definitive end. There will be tech

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2011-05-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Joshua: > In other words, you've got nothin' but vague, > unsupported insults. In my view, it doesn't matter if my vague unsupported insults (which I freely admit were done at your expense) are correct or not. You seem to believe that you have Rossi's occasionally troubling heat measuremen

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2011-05-10 Thread Joshua Cude
In other words, you've got nothin' but vague, unsupported insults. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson < orionwo...@charter.net> wrote: > Joshua, > > You are free to express your opinion on the Rossi's e-Cat matter, and you > certainly have done that in more than

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2011-05-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
nson www.OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Can Rossi generate steam hotter than 110 °C ? On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:43 PM, OrionWorks - St

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2011-05-10 Thread Joshua Cude
Blush. Some corrections to my overly hasty post below: I misread the table I found for heat transfer coefficients at http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/overall-heat-transfer-coefficients-d_284.html. It turns out heat transfer coefficients are not so easy to predict, but (consistent with intuitio

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2011-05-09 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:43 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Let me add my two cents: > Sorry, it's not worth even that. (I've stayed away from this list because its terms of reference clearly exclude people of my mindset, but this discussion of higher tem

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2011-05-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Let me add my two cents: If Rossi's e-Cat reactor core can regularly sustain temperatures of 500c or higher, water that is in contact with the reactor core's surface FOR LONG ENOUGH PERIODS will most certainly exceed temperatures 100.1 C, and by quite a large margin. However, the tick would be to

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2011-05-09 Thread Axil Axil
That 550C temperature may only be occurring inside the reaction vessel. The fast flow of water would cool the containing copper pipe to something under 110C based on the pressure maintained in the cooling loop. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM, noone noone wrote: > Rossi claims they can pr