Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Jouni Valkonen
lauantai, 8. lokakuuta 2011 Peter Heckert kirjoitti: > A household sized ecat device is on market in january. > Even the costs are known: 2000$/kW > that $2000 / kW is not for household devices, but it is for megawatt scale devices. For household devices cost is much much higher due to high elect

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Terry Blanton
> Heck, back in the Cro-Magnon era of computers, I used to have difficulty > making the same object code produce the same result twice in a row. That was > with computers, which were supposedly the most predictable, logic-based, > closed-universe devices around. Yeah, the hardware was. But the co

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 08.10.2011 23:07, schrieb Jed Rothwell: That's January 2012. Not now. This is still 2011. You are talking about what he hopes to accomplish in the future. I am talking about what he accomplished in the past, and what he can do now. From october 2011 to january 2012 is much less time than fro

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: > bending every effort to accomplish these goals. But I have never heard him > say he could be making commercially useful heaters now. > > Then you do not listen what he says. Examples for this are overwhelming in > count and content. > One example: A household sized ecat dev

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 08.10.2011 22:18, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: I expect he did use it to heat an office. That does not mean he knows how to do it again. He has always given the impression, that he can. I do not get that impression. He says he is

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: > I expect he did use it to heat an office. That does not mean he knows how > to do it again. > > He has always given the impression, that he can. > I do not get that impression. He says he is trying to commercialize as soon as possible. He says that is his principal goal. F

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 08.10.2011 21:42, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: Yes of course that will convince everyone. I suppose that if Rossi could do this, he would, since he says commercial success is the most important metric. He said he has used it to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: > > Yes of course that will convince everyone. I suppose that if Rossi could do > this, he would, since he says commercial success is the most important > metric. > > He said he has used it to heat his office. He said this to Kullander and > Essen and they didnt doubt it, bec

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 08.10.2011 18:13, schrieb Jed Rothwell: What you demand here is a commercial-product demonstration: Now, install these radiators in free air and measure the water flow and the delta_th and absolute temperatures and log them. Let it run non-stop for 24 hours. This would be a practi

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
You are tired of discussions and number crunching? You are in the wrong place. Come back after cold fusion is commercialized and the whole world agrees it is real. Actually, I suppose this discussion group and LENR-CANR.org will be defunct when that happens. Kind of like "homebrew computer" clubs

[Vo]:Rossi E-CAT: I am tired about discussions and number crunching

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Heckert
This has stressed my patience too much and exceeded my deadline. I wait now until Rossi presents a real live demonstration that cannot been discussed. I would expect something like this: All my rooms are heated by a 10 kW gasboiler. The water inflow to my 5 radiators is currently 60°. The back