Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-20 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 12:35 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat My wave farms are totally renewable and won't kill things. It can barely be seen from the beach and it is safe for swimmers and to a certain extent safe for slow boaters. I wonder what these hyper

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
- *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat Windmills kill many birds also. Dams kill many fish. Green energy kills things. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Lennart

[Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/brightsource-solar-plant-sets-birds-on-fire-as-they-fly-overhead-1.2739512 Workers at a state-of-the-art solar plant in the Mojave Desert have a name for birds that fly through the concentrated beams of solar energy focused upward by the plant's 300,000 mirrors —

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Jojo Iznart
- Original Message - From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:37 AM Subject: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/brightsource-solar-plant-sets-birds-on-fire-as-they-fly-overhead-1.2739512

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
It doesn't count as a bird kill if they vaporize in the air and don't make it to the ground. Honestly, this is an f'd up system. With PV prices plummeting it makes no sense to put in another albatross like this. Feel proud, if you are in the US, you bought it. Good movie prop, Sahara 2. On

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 12:37 pm Subject: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/brightsource-solar-plant-sets-birds-on-fire-as-they-fly-overhead-1.2739512

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Jojo Iznart
-environmental Illuminati depopulation agenda. Jojo - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat It doesn't count as a bird kill if they vaporize in the air and don't make

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
depopulation agenda. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat It doesn't count as a bird kill if they vaporize in the air and don't

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Jojo Iznart
, 2014 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat It wasn't free, it cost $2.2 billion and has high construction and maintenance costs. It was primarily not investors that paid for it, it was US taxpayers through a check from Uncle Sam that Financed it. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
Stewart cheme...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat It wasn't free, it cost $2.2 billion and has high construction and maintenance costs. It was primarily not investors that paid for it, it was US

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Ruby
Thank you Terry for posting this. I had no idea the problem was so bad. I curse - and pity - the designers of this death ray at BurntSourceEnergy. May their chicken be black out of the oven - and Thanksgiving dinner a FAIL - for the rest of their existence. Examples abound describing the

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Re: [Vo]:BrightSource https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=subject:%22Re%3A+%5BVo%5D%3ABrightSource%22 Kevin O'Malley https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Kevin+O%27Malley%22 Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:09:13 -0800

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Stop making stuff up, like illuminati crap. It might be a fake religion; but, it is the world's greatest: http://io9.com/the-greatest-fake-religion-of-all-time-1622095459 And the second greatest is:

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
I'm speechless... I was mostly thinking that using JoJo's argument, fossil fuels are also free since they are already there in the ground to use and we can ignore operating and maintenance expenses. I was mostly concerned about the costs to recharge/refurbish Jed's android robots that wash the

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Lennart Thornros
OK Chem I understand the reaction. I think you are extended the argument a bit. We (the taxpayers) actually built the solar farm. The oil is way different - I knowp we did not build the resourse. Well, I guess you will say we did not build the sun either. You are right but the fractionwe harvest

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
I like trains! On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: OK Chem I understand the reaction. I think you are extended the argument a bit. We (the taxpayers) actually built the solar farm. The oil is way different - I knowp we did not build the resourse. Well, I

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
Windmills kill many birds also. Dams kill many fish. Green energy kills things. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: OK Chem I understand the reaction. I think you are extended the argument a bit. We (the taxpayers) actually built the solar farm. The

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Jojo Iznart
:03 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat I'm speechless... I was mostly thinking that using JoJo's argument, fossil fuels are also free since they are already there in the ground to use and we can ignore operating and maintenance expenses. I was mostly concerned about

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
He actually took part in projects to build solar power plants. 2014-08-20 0:48 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Stewie, If you insist on using this argument, then no intelligent dialogue can be had on this issue. I am not even going to waste my time dignifiying your

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
http://www.csp-world.com/cspworldmap/coalinga On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: He actually took part in projects to build solar power plants. 2014-08-20 0:48 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Kevin O'Malley
]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat I'm speechless... I was mostly thinking that using JoJo's argument, fossil fuels are also free since they are already there in the ground to use and we can ignore operating and maintenance expenses. I was mostly concerned about the costs to recharge/refurbish

Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat

2014-08-19 Thread Jojo Iznart
- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solar Collectors' Avian Threat Windmills kill many birds also. Dams kill many fish. Green energy kills things. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote