Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > Plus, it is easily conceivable that the best LENR implementation for > automotive will be moderately low COP (~2-3) and thus it will still require > substantial hydrogen fuel which can be made by the solar method. > If the COP is only 2 or 3 you cannot use it for any mechan

RE: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
That Toyota site is pretty cool actually, and I wouldn’t want to bet against them– given the success of the Prius in the face of initial skepticism from “experts” like GM (following which, GM went bankrupt and Toyota became numero uno)…not to mention Toyota’s visionary support for LENR. They loo

Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > As Jones mentioned, Li forms a hydride fairly easily; but, someone's > recent patent said that was his reactor fuel. :-) > Yes, I think a hydride is probably safer than pressurized gas, especially on board the vehicle. I do not recall what kind of storage the Osaka U. st

Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > But the real kicker, as Bob Lazar found > out, is the premature failure of the valves due to embrittlement. > Yes. That is what causes the corrosion I referred to. Fuel cells are more energy efficient than hydrogen combustion, but they cost a lot more money at present.

Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > The other problem is storing and fueling hydrogen in small scale > installations. As I recall Osaka U. also made an advanced fueling station, > which also exploded. That is not to suggest it cannot be done, but clearly > More Research Is Need

Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Hydrogen from solar - has the advantage of an infrastructure which is in > place with half a billion automobiles – the engines of 100% of them can be > converted to burn hydrogen. Not easily. First off, you'll notice a considerable differenc

Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2015 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible? Jones Beene wrote: Hydrogen from solar - has the advantage of an infrastructure which is in place with half a

Re: [Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > Hydrogen from solar - has the advantage of an infrastructure which is in > place with half a billion automobiles – the engines of 100% of them can > be converted to burn hydrogen. > Do you mean retrofitted? I do not think so. Years ago there were attempts to do this in Japan

[Vo]:The Hydrogen Economy now feasible?

2015-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
The idealized "hydrogen economy" is one of those alluring pipe dreams - like LENR - which for 20 years has been "so close but so far away" as they say. Cheap hydrogen simply cannot happen as electrical water-splitting - which leaves direct-solar as the only logical "enabler" technology. well . nucl