Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: Just a naive question... if no gamma nor neutrons is produced at noticeable > quantity, does it mean that most energy is transmitted by some charged > particles, that don't annihilate ? > This is not a naive question. It's a question that man

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2014-02-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:10:32 -0800: Hi Jones, Note, that as Harry said, I was referring to p-e-p, not pp. The pp reaction does indeed produce a positron, however the p-e-p reaction is an electron capture reaction, and the only particles produced are a deuteron an

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
I've heard Rossi and some others happy about some signal around 511Kev (e+ anihilation)... to be confirmed. note that DGT claim gamme in 30-500keV... compatible with 511keV divided (is it possible? ) however if much energy is cared by e+, and annihilation, should not there be much more gamma than

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2014-02-12 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: mix...@bigpond.com > > >The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are > no > gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your > theory > proposes can be val

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com >The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are no gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your theory proposes can be valid because gammas are expected. Actually not only would I not expect

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2014-02-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 2 Feb 2014 09:39:57 -0800: Hi, [snip] >The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are no >gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your theory >proposes can be valid because gammas are expected. Actually

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2014-02-05 Thread David Roberson
It is interesting that the magnets are shown in that application. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 3:28 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Of interest - in this regard is that the magnetic field used

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2014-02-05 Thread Jones Beene
Of interest - in this regard is that the magnetic field used in the Letts/Cravens effect is fairly weak. Did not Dennis mention to vortex that it needs to be weak and the effect goes away if it is too strong? Here is a paper mentioning 700 Gauss – across the cathode face, from a pai

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2014-02-05 Thread David Roberson
Bob, This information that you share may be a clue to follow up on. Exactly how the field interacts might to be important. Thanks. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

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2014-02-05 Thread Bob Cook
0 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Thanks for the refresher in all things DGT. :-) The link exposes the large difference between what you are proposing and what they claim. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Feb 4

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2014-02-05 Thread Bob Cook
vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Thanks for the refresher in all things DGT. :-) The link exposes the large difference between what you are proposing and what they claim. Dave -Original Message---

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2014-02-04 Thread David Roberson
Thanks for the refresher in all things DGT. :-) The link exposes the large difference between what you are proposing and what they claim. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

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2014-02-04 Thread Axil Axil
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: > The large magnetic field reported by DGT supports the coupling concept, > but there is question as to whether or not the report is accurate. > > It is valuable to review again what DGT said in their report. At the time of the ICCF-18 rep

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2014-02-04 Thread David Roberson
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:16 PM, David Roberson wrote: Axil, you have offered an idea for a mechanism that might allow coupling between a locally large magnetic field and nearby fusion events. I r

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2014-02-04 Thread Axil Axil
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:16 PM, David Roberson wrote: Axil, you have offered an idea for a mechanism that might allow coupling > between a locally large magnetic field and nearby fusion events. I remain > skeptical of this type of effect but I want to understand how it operates > according

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-04 Thread David Roberson
Axil, you have offered an idea for a mechanism that might allow coupling between a locally large magnetic field and nearby fusion events. I remain skeptical of this type of effect but I want to understand how it operates according to your concept. I have a few questions for you to review t

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2014-02-04 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 3, 2014, at 9:55 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Why do you say this, Eric? Do you have evidence I do not know about? Can you give a reason why the statements are not correct? I have seen what you and the others have seen. Rossi has b

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2014-02-04 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 3, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Why would you believe DGT could create such a field in the apparatus they have shown? Because both Ken Sholders and proton-21 produced cold fusion and monopole fields using sparks. Yes Axil, but the spark is applied to the material. DGT does

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2014-02-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Why do you say this, Eric? Do you have evidence I do not know about? Can > you give a reason why the statements are not correct? > I have seen what you and the others have seen. Rossi has been consistent in much, although certainly not all,

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
Why would you believe DGT could create such a field in the apparatus they have shown? Because both Ken Sholders and proton-21 produced cold fusion and monopole fields using sparks. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > > Ed: "

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Eric Walker wrote: Ed: "the Rossi claim for transmutation producing energy is simply WRONG." Jones: "Note that of late, Rossi’s own comments (to JoNP) show that he is no longer pushing the transmutation of nickel to copper, and has doubts about any theory. In

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
rge > magnet in front of one of these polaritons and it would be attracted to > it. Is that correct? > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Axil Axil > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:40 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sar

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2014-02-03 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev A polariton is a photon and an electron locked together in a pair. This pair orbits around a cavity on its edge. The spin of all polaritons are pointed such that the

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-03 Thread Eric Walker
Ed: "the Rossi claim for transmutation producing energy is simply WRONG." Jones: "Note that of late, Rossi’s own comments (to JoNP) show that he is no longer pushing the transmutation of nickel to copper, and has doubts about any theory. In fact, we know that Ni -> Cu cannot be the prime reaction

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
--Original Message- > From: Axil Axil > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev > > A polariton is a photon and an electron locked together in a pair. This > pair orbits around a cavity on its edge. The spin of all

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-03 Thread David Roberson
effect the field? I am not aware of any RF type of system that can generate a DC field unless it is rectified by some means. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev A polariton

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
cription of them? > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Axil Axil > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:14 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev > > David, > > A half soliton of polaritons can not only produce a ma

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2014-02-03 Thread David Roberson
straight forward description of them? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev David, A half soliton of polaritons can not only produce a magnetic field, it can thermalize gamma

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
producing a working system. > > The above scenario represents my latest thinking. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Bob Cook > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:14 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev > > D

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
The device will look a lot like the recent NI/H reactors. The vender of the Ni/H reactor who takes polariton production of magnetic solutions most to heart will dominate the marketplace. The reaction products of both the DGT reaction and the Rossi reaction match my latest predictions---heavy low

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2014-02-03 Thread David Roberson
the correct positive feedback environment could easily explain the difficulty in producing a working system. The above scenario represents my latest thinking. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
utation are clearly wrong. Also, the claim for intense magnetic >> fields by DGT are so implausible and unsupported by any evidence they can >> be safely ignored. Although CF was rejected based on incorrect >> interpretation of what is possible, a line has to be drawn somewhere.

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2014-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Conduction of electricity disproves your point since it has several distinct forms - including ionic conductivity, superconductivity and HTSC, which is different from SC. Point taken. I guess there are different modes. A lot of und

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2014-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Conduction of electricity disproves your point since it has several > distinct forms - including ionic conductivity, superconductivity and HTSC, > which is different from SC. > Point taken. I guess there are different modes. A lot of underlying similarity though. How do you

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
e. A person can waste a lot of time chasing ghosts. Ed Storms Dave -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Dave, we are trying to find out what nature has decided. T

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2014-02-03 Thread Bob Cook
se to this blog.) - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev I agree with your approach Ed. I just wanted to point out that we must not put on blin

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2014-02-03 Thread James Bowery
My point is measurement is central to experiment. If you aren't measuring phenomena you seek to explain with similar signal to noise ratios, you need a different experiment. Look, its simple: If you have the keys to the LENR/Cold Fusio kingdom then you should be able to design a device that outp

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:23 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Axil, unless Simakin et al share your theory, it is not the experiment I > am after. > Simakin does understand that nanoplasmonics can cause nuclear reactions. > Even if they do share your theory, you are predicting particular nuclear > pro

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2014-02-03 Thread David Roberson
: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev On Feb 3, 2014, at 3:23 PM, David Roberson wrote: I agree with your approach Ed. I just wanted to point out that we must not put on blinders if we make measurements that suggest that some other reaction is taking place than the suspected one. It is

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
nored. Although CF was rejected based on incorrect > interpretation of what is possible, a line has to be drawn somewhere. A > person can waste a lot of time chasing ghosts. > > Ed Storms > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Edmund Storms >

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2014-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Consider various physical effects in metals that have been discovered over the centuries, such as magnetism, conducting electricity, the thermoelectric effect (and its opposite manifestation the Peltier effect), the photovoltaic effect, hydrogen embrittlement, piezoelectr

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Mon, Feb 3, 2014 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Dave, we are trying to find out what nature has decided. To do this, assumptions have to be made, which are tested against what nature reveals. The simplest assumption is to explore only a single process. It turns

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2014-02-03 Thread David Roberson
ions are the same process. Nature decided this issue and not us. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all sys

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2014-02-03 Thread James Bowery
Axil, unless Simakin et al share your theory, it is not the experiment I am after. Even if they do share your theory, you are predicting particular nuclear products that must be discriminated from those that would arise from other processes and I see no indication that they performed the required

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2014-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Consider various physical effects in metals that have been discovered over the centuries, such as magnetism, conducting electricity, the thermoelectric effect (and its opposite manifestation the Peltier effect), the photovoltaic effect, hydrogen embrittlement, piezoelectricity, and superconductivit

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
One more point, I remember studying an experiment were transmutation was offset from the primary reaction site (NAE) by some very long distance but the transmutation at the remote site was weaker than at the crater(NAE) in the lattice. This indicated to me that an EMF causation was at play becaus

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2014-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Dave, we are trying to find out what nature has decided. To do this, > assumptions have to be made, which are tested against what nature reveals. > The simplest assumption is to explore only a single process. > This is the default assumption for most research. It is Occam's

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2014-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell JR: There may be no evidence for this, but it seems likely based on what McKubre calls the conservation of miracles. First off - LENR is no miracle. We are at the stage of adequate proof. The past irregularity in the Lab, of finding any LENR reaction at all

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
A.V. Simakin has done the experiments you are after. They show how Photofission works. This nuclear reaction does not need a lattice to work. The NAE is a space between the gold nanoparticles. Without the nanoparticles, laser light of the same intensity does not produce the reaction. I believe t

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
decided this issue and not us. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep enough. LeClair reports gamma

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2014-02-03 Thread David Roberson
Axil, It is premature for us to draw the conclusion that all cold fusion reactions are the same process. Nature decided this issue and not us. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan

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2014-02-03 Thread James Bowery
At the risk of overstepping the bounds of my understanding, it sounds like you have begun to respond to my question about the experimental design required to differentiate your theory from others. What you are saying, if I understand your response to that question, is that you predict nuclear prod

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2014-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > JR: There may be no evidence for this, but it seems likely > based on what McKubre calls the conservation of miracles. > > First off - LENR is no miracle. We are at the stage of adequate proof. The > past irregularity in the Lab, of finding any LENR reaction

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
One more important point, the contents of the topological defects(cracks, pits, holes, bumps) are superconducting. In other works, the cracks are superconducting. This is called topological superconductivity. There is only one environment where this superconductivity can happen at high temperature,

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 3, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I had not intended to get involved with this field, but stumbled into it when I became aware of some experimental results that did not fit into the conventional picture. Once I dipped my toe into the water I quickly came to realise how much i

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
One more point, in a nuclear reaction spin is conserved between the input and output products, except if the reaction is electromagnetic in nature. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > IMHO, it would be productive in your reaction analysis to consider how > important nuclear spin

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
IMHO, it would be productive in your reaction analysis to consider how important nuclear spin is in the LENR reaction. Then, you might ask yourself why spin is so important, then you might draw a connection between spin and magnetic effects and influences. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Edmund

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
This list is on the right tract but very incomplete. Transmutation has two consequences. With the hydrogen nuclei is added and the resulting nuclei remains in tact, aka Iwamura. Or the final nucleus fissions, aka Miley et al. The consequence produce a collection of elements that must conse

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
The assay of Rossi reaction ash says that 10% was iron. This reaction looks like a good bet to be the main one in Rossi's reactor 1H+1H+62Ni => 4He + 4He + 56Fe + 3.495 MeV < this one produces iron On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > this post changed my mind about fissio

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2014-02-03 Thread Nigel Dyer
I had not intended to get involved with this field, but stumbled into it when I became aware of some experimental results that did not fit into the conventional picture. Once I dipped my toe into the water I quickly came to realise how much information was available, some of which did seem to

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
this post changed my mind about fission as a source of light nuclear ash. You might get fission to lighter elements, if you initially add enough energy in the form of excess mass to more than make up for the energy deficit. Yes that means Hydrogen fusion with the Ni. However there is only one 62N

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Nigel, far more information is available than most people realize. My present book has 750 citations to essential information. How many people do you think have read these papers? My data base contains 4700 papers, which is more than available on LENR.org I'm trying to apply the fewest numb

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2014-02-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree with QED. We humans live in a weakly ionizing quantum vacuum, which varies in concentration in our atmosphere, creating low pressure disturbances and is conductive. Based upon observation, it is ionizing oxygen in our atmosphere and forming water vapor as well as weakly ionizing the water

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
First off, the production of only stable isotopes via fusion, points to no transfer of any angular momentum or kinetic energy by the cold fusion reaction. This points to photofusion. The report that only even numbers of protons and neutrons in the nucleus before fusion resulting in a zero nuclear

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2014-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell AA: The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep enough. JB: That is absurd. There is not the least bit of evidence for that proposition. In fact, the evidence points to perhaps a doz

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2014-02-03 Thread Nigel Dyer
I don't feel that we have anything like enough evidence to say definitively whether there is one, or more than one, underlying mechanism. It seems likely that at least some of the different sets of experimental results will have a common underlying mechanism, and it is well worth trying to mak

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Begin forwarded message: From: Edmund Storms Date: February 3, 2014 9:28:49 AM MST To: "torulf.gr...@bredband.net>" Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Good point Torulf. I believe the environment is important to make the Hydroton, but

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2014-02-03 Thread torulf.greek
I think this will be relevant for Storms theory and radiation. The reactions H+e+H or D+e+D in hydrons will take "long" time for a nuclear reaction. The energy is released as a sequence of many photons. And the reaction is greatly dependent on the environment. There may be some events in

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2014-02-03 Thread James Bowery
On 2/3/14, Axil Axil wrote: > Let us discuss this reference:... No, let us discuss an experiment of YOUR design, the results of which would differentiate YOUR theory from competing theories. > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:53 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> Theory is not made of repetition and c

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2014-02-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Jones Beene wrote: That is really the crux of the Nickel hydrogen analysis. Rossi/Forcardi > originally proposed a reaction in which substantial gammas should have been > witnessed at 10 kW of thermal release. The original lead shielding (in the > first demo) was i

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Axil Axil wrote: The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep enough. LeClair reports gamma radiation in cavitation and so does Piantelli in a nickel bar system. Both these systems are cold systems, Piantelli reports gammas when his

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
If you are interested in black hole research, I have just read how to do it with polaritons. You can produce worm holes, white holes, and black holes, even alternate universes, http://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.3013v2.pdf Black Holes and Wormholes in spinor polariton condensates On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 a

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
As you expected, I disagree strongly with this conclusion, Jones. All of the behavior flows from a single process. The fusion reaction of all isotopes of hydrogen provides the heat energy and fuels the transmutation reactions, of which there are two consequences depending on the isotope of

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2014-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep > enough. > > > > That is absurd. > > > > There is not the least bit of evidence for that proposition. In fact, the > evidence points to perhaps a dozen energetic reactions of hydrogen when > loaded in

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2014-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep enough. That is absurd. There is not the least bit of evidence for that proposition. In fact, the evidence points to perhaps a dozen energetic reactions of hydrogen when loaded into conden

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep enough. LeClair reports gamma radiation in cavitation and so does Piantelliin a nickel bar system. Both these systems are cold systems, Piantelli reports gammas when his system is very cold only. Rossi says that his early sys

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
Ed, Point me to something that illustrates your viewpoint. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: > Axil, you completely ignore what is observed and how the behavior is > produced. Rather than suggest complex, obscure, and novel ideas, why not > learn what is actually seen? > > E

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2014-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker Jed Rothwell wrote: These discussions about "suppressing" gamma rays and neutrons have been around since the beginning of cold fusion. It is true that some people in this thread have been arguing about the suppression of MeV-range gammas. Like you say, this sounds

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, you completely ignore what is observed and how the behavior is produced. Rather than suggest complex, obscure, and novel ideas, why not learn what is actually seen? Ed Stporms On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Radioisotopes are not produced in LENR when the nucleus is su

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2014-02-03 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 2, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: These discussions about "suppressing" gamma rays and neutrons have been around since the beginning of cold fusion. It is true that some people in this thread have been arguing about the

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2014-02-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
I almost took that as an honorable mention... On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:29 AM, James Bowery wrote: > Axil, you speak with the authority of one who knows -- perhaps even more > so than ChemE. > > Does your authoritative knowledge shed light on an economical > demonstration of that knowledge? > >

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2014-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
The data come from many places. First, the library LENR experimental data accumulated over the last 25 years in Jed's collection, Next, other data that should be added to Jed's collection, then there is the experimentation done that is directly applicable to LENR which is most recently done but not

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2014-02-02 Thread James Bowery
Theory is not made of repetition and citation but of reflection and experimental testing. One of the nice things about coming up with a novel theory is it allows you to come up with novel experiments and if appropriately tempered by economic those experiments may be quite practical. What is your

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2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
*White light is a combination of all colors. In like manner, EUV is a combination of gamma rays and infrared rays all mixed together. It can't be simpler.* On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > These discussions about "sup

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2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
I speak with the authority of repetition. I have gone over this stuff fifty times and no one has countered me except Ed Storms to my great joy. Theory is not made of sunshine and roses. Like steel, it is tempered by repeated blows and forged in fire, between the hammer and the anvil. In each pos

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2014-02-02 Thread James Bowery
Axil, you speak with the authority of one who knows -- perhaps even more so than ChemE. Does your authoritative knowledge shed light on an economical demonstration of that knowledge? On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Radioisotopes are not produced in LENR when the nucleus is

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
Radioisotopes are not produced in LENR when the nucleus is suppressed (coulomb barrio screened) by magnetic fields, because these photons do not excite the nuclus like neutrons do. They carry no angular momentum or kinetic energy to excite the nucleus. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Eric Walke

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2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: These discussions about "suppressing" gamma rays and neutrons have been > around since the beginning of cold fusion. > It is true that some people in this thread have been arguing about the suppression of MeV-range gammas. Like you say, this s

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2014-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
These discussions about "suppressing" gamma rays and neutrons have been around since the beginning of cold fusion. Listening to theorists I imagine God struggling to find a way to stop those neutrons, piling on mechanism after mechanism, but still a few neutrons leak out of the lattice. I don't thi

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2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
Regarding: *then the 5 MeV quanta would require 2500 photons to be released simultaneously. Think about the absurdity of that.* These photons are stored from some many picoseconds while the optical cavity remains in service. During this time, it is mixed with the IR photons and EUV photons are p

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2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote: To be a little more focused on the experimental evidence, if the HotCat > releases undetectable energy when in operation, with thermal release in the > range of 10 kW, and the limit of detection at the low end is about 2 keV, > and NO radiation i

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2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Axil Axil wrote: http://shutdownrossi.com/e-cat-science/110-quotes-by-rossi-about-gamma-rays-and-transmutations/ > > 110+ Quotes by Rossi about Gamma Rays and Transmutations > Thank you, Axil, for keeping the discussion grounded in what has actually been said, by

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
Sometimes, gamma rays are produced by a LENR system. This is why gamma thermalization does not happen. Let us make things really simple. So let us make and analogy between radiation frequency mixing in an optical cavity and water mixing of hot and cold water in a mixing bowl. If you pour hot and

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2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 2, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Eric Walker How is dividing a 5 MeV quantum among a number of recipients a violation of CoE? You have heard the phrase “justice delayed is justice denied”? OK how about this: Energy release delayed is energy balance denied. Eric, Per

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2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
*Fleischmann Memorial Project, **QuantumHeat.org* - *MFMP Report Detection of Unusual Gamma Rays*- There is a new blog post on the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project's quantumheat.o

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2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: > >- p+(N)Ni → (N+1)Ni + Q > > It's been a while since I've looked at the actual reactions, but on its face this particular reaction is technically infeasible, since we're saying that we're starting with nickel and adding a proton and then getting nickel again. The actual reactions w

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2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
correction 10mm should read 10 nanometers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/X-ray_applications.svg/800px-X-ray_applications.svg.png On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > When cold fusion is thermalize radiation, EUV does not exceed 10mm is wave > length. >

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
Correction … if the HotCat releases undetectable energy when in operation, with thermal release in the range of 10 kW, and the limit of detection at the low end is about 2 keV… That should be “undetectable radiation” of course.

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2014-02-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Ed, I agree with your photon emissions, you will also see that "cosmic" strings of vacuum are supposed to emit photons. http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1998 Which is why I believe your hydrogen is forming strings of decaying "vacuum energy" within the cracks. This video is too funny, these guys are tr

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2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
When cold fusion is thermalize radiation, EUV does not exceed 10mm is wave length. When cold fusion is not thermalizing radiation gamma rays about 100 KeV are experimentally seen. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2004/2004Focardi-Evidenc

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