Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Edmund Storms wrote: > These are all good ideas that have been explored. However, turning an > idea into a practical solution to a problem involving megawatts of > power and billions of dollars takes a lot of time and capital, which > is not available. The issue is not the lack of ideas but

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-09 Thread Edmund Storms
These are all good ideas that have been explored. However, turning an idea into a practical solution to a problem involving megawatts of power and billions of dollars takes a lot of time and capital, which is not available. The issue is not the lack of ideas but the ability to put them int

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Mauro Lacy wrote: > Edmund Storms wrote: > >> And thus we see the basic flaw in wind generation. Unless a backup >> source of power is in place and can be connected to an active grid, >> wind power is not practical. >> > You can use an intermediate stage as energy storage. Why not produ

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Edmund Storms wrote: > And thus we see the basic flaw in wind generation. Unless a backup > source of power is in place and can be connected to an active grid, > wind power is not practical. You can use an intermediate stage as energy storage. Why not produce Hidrogen with wind (and solar) powe

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: EU > power authorities have been issuing fines to Danish power > companies for delivering unwanted excess wind power. Wind > provides ~24% of power in Denmark overall. What a hoot! Can you clarify? Whose applecart are they upsetting? It damages the network. It isn't that the

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: ... > In same parts of Europe, especially Denmark, wind provides > 50% to 100% (or more) of electricity on winter nights. EU > power authorities have been issuing fines to Danish power > companies for delivering unwanted excess wind power. Wind > provides ~24% of power in Denmark overal

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Europe has invested in its distribution system because most transportation of goods and people is carried by electric trains. The US has not made this investment . . . As I mentioned, EPRI says that up to 20% of U.S. can be from wind and other intermittent sources with

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jul 8, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: And thus we see the basic flaw in wind generation. Unless a backup source of power is in place and can be connected to an active grid, wind power is not practical. My comment clearly applied to the US. The situation in Eu

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: And thus we see the basic flaw in wind generation. Unless a backup source of power is in place and can be connected to an active grid, wind power is not practical. This is incorrect. EPRI and European power companies that have a lot experience with wind power say that mos

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
And thus we see the basic flaw in wind generation. Unless a backup source of power is in place and can be connected to an active grid, wind power is not practical. This source needs to be engineered into a system rather than used as an add-on. The system in the US is too fragile and too s

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
My guess is the "transmission issues" and grid regulation far outweighed the capital funding. Building the equivalent of over 4 nuclear reactors at a single location whose output variability is intimately linked by geography and weather AND figuring out how to distribute to the loads while regulat

[Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - "Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums"

2009-07-08 Thread OrionWorks
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/07/08/pickens.wind.farm/index.html Exerpts: -- NEW YORK (CNN) -- Billionaire oil man T. Boone Pickens is shelving plans to build the world's largest wind farm. T. Boone Pickens says the capital markets will not support his plans to build the w