Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Alexander Hollins
jed, if the power were used to, say, run a thermoelectric heat pump, cooling one side of the pump, and heating something that was otherwise internally insulated, then heat WOULD go up after power is removed. (Just saying, if I were going to fake something, that's what I'd do. ) On Tue, Oct 11,

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Hollins: jed, if the power were used to, say, run a thermoelectric heat pump, cooling one side of the pump, and heating something that was otherwise internally insulated, then heat WOULD go up after power is removed. (Just saying, if I were going to fake something, that's what I'd do. )

RE: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Robert Leguillon
BE incorrect. If the measurements are correct, the E-Cat would run dry and the temperature would have to rise. Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat From: alexander.holl...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: jed, if the power were used to, say, run a thermoelectric heat pump, cooling one side of the pump, and heating something that was otherwise internally insulated . . . Sure. I agree. That would not be passive cooling. However, people have looked inside Rossi devices

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon wrote: Don't miss the fundamental argument of heat storage. Great care was taken to insulate the E-Cat, and keep heat from escaping. If you think that this is impossible, I have an experiment for you. Make a scalding hot 1/2 cup of coffee. Put it into a Thermos. See how

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Harry Veeder
Pour some boiling water into a thermos. For how long does the water continue to boil? Harry On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Jed, Don't miss the fundamental argument of heat storage. Great care was taken to insulate the E-Cat, and keep heat

RE: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Robert Leguillon
Do I get a device that generates frequencies? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Pour some boiling water into a thermos. For how

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Harry Veeder
How much power does this frequency device need? Harry On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Do I get a device that generates frequencies? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:16:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Rich Murray
Hello Robert Leguillon, a pretty good short summary of Horace Heffner's competent, detailed, much improved critical reviews -- so pragmatic skepticism seems amply justified... Thanks, Rich Murray On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Jed,

RE: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat Pour some boiling water into a thermos. For how long does the water continue to boil? Harry On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Jed

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Colin Hercus
Hi Jed, I can design a device where heat in the output goes up after power is turned off. A simple analogy would be a steel bar, if apply heat to one end with a torch and measure the temperature of the other end there will be a temperature difference along the bar. When I stop applying heat

RE: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Robert Leguillon
@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat Pour some boiling water into a thermos. For how long does the water continue to boil? Harry On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Jed, Don't

Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat

2011-10-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon wrote: Where did they increase? They never went up in the E-Cat, only remained pretty darned steady (pegged to boiling point, slowly decreasing). The temperature in the eCat cannot go up because it is boiling water at a little more than 1 atm. It can boil away the water