Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Harry Veeder
Zell, Chris wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:29 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? > > Original Message - > From: "Zell, Chris

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence But I also wasn't thinking clearly about that, either -- the volts from the charging station would have to be isolated from ground, so the only way to get a shock from it would be across the two leads. <><><><><><><> EV-1 used inductive

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Zell, Chris wrote: -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? Here's an interesting question: Is it possible to design a ground-fault interrupter

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:31 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? Zell, Chris wrote: >I spent many an hour reading about battery research in libraries at >Cornell. There just

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? Here's an interesting question: Is it possible to design a ground-fault interrupter which can carry -- and s

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Here's an interesting question: Is it possible to design a ground-fault interrupter which can carry -- and safely break -- a 1000 amp current going into a 1000 volt load? OrionWorks wrote: From: John Coviello ... > That miracle battery is on it's way finally! Lithium ion > batteries have

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: I spent many an hour reading about battery research in libraries at Cornell. There just wasn't anything worthwhile out there - and lithum ion is a maybe. . . . The Don Quixote Car Company that built this stuff would also need a charging station infrastructure, trained re

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? Original Message - From: "Zell, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:3

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread OrionWorks
From: John Coviello ... > That miracle battery is on it's way finally! Lithium ion > batteries have sufficient power densities to deliver 300 > mile per charge and can actually recharge in 5 to 10 minutes. > You know what that means? People can pull in and recharge > their EVs on the go, ju

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-31 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:02 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? - Original Message - From: "Zell, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Zell, Chris wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:17 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? > >> From: Jed Rothwell >> >

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Coviello writes: >Japan probably hasn't >led the way to EVs because electricity costs about 3 to 4 times as much as >electricity in the U.S., around 28 cents per kWH in Japan. Yes, but gasoline costs $5 per gallon, so it works out roughly the same. Japanese companies have announced electr

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: "Zell, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, &quo

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: "Zell, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? In summary, there are too many sinister explanations for things that are easily explained by pedestrian economics. Alternative

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
Original Message - From: "Zell, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? I don't see any need for any conspiracy to kill off electric cars at all. The range is awful, they take time to recharge, t

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
...and here it is from May 11, 1987: http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101870511,00.html Harry Harry Veeder wrote: > If I remember correctly, a Time magazine cover from around '86 or '87 > showed an artist's rendering of a futuristic electric vehicle as one of the > promises of high tem

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
If room temperature superconductors can be made they would also boost the performance of electric vehicles. If I remember correctly, a Time magazine cover from around '86 or '87 showed an artist's rendering of a futuristic electric vehicle as one of the promises of high temperature superconductors.

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: So the life of the break pads is greatly extended? That's my guess, as I said in the first message. Not only does it save money, it reduces pollution from dust and fragments of brake pads along highways and roads. Summarizing my feelings about a typical U.S. EV custome

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote: > Harry Veeder wrote: > >>> Why would there be no brake changes? Electric and hybrid cars have >>> regenerative braking but they also have ordinary brakes as well. > >> Do they mean the braking system did not use friction? > > No, I mean they use the electric motor as a gene

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? > From: Jed Rothwell > > > Zell, Chris wrote: > >Cold weather makes electric car

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread OrionWorks
> From: Jed Rothwell > > > Zell, Chris wrote: > >Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, > >gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, "75 mile range", recharge - over >> night Toys. > I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to > have an el

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The only reasonable alternative to a gasoline plug-in hybrid is a diesel plug-in hybrid. Is this really true? A pure EV car would be lighter, simpler, and cheaper than a hybrid. The only place it falls down on is range. I could be wrong, but that is my gut feeli

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: If you really think that "millions" want one of these toys, then successful niche builders like the Japanese should be making them. Yes. I think millions want them and the Japanese should be making them. But up until this year, they did not think so! Now they are introduc

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? Jed Rothwell wrote: > Zell, Chris wrote: > >> Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Do they mean the braking system did not use friction? <><><><><><><> It used both: disc in front, electric in rear. Here are the EV-1 specs: http://www.evchargernews.com/CD-A/gm_ev1_web_site/specs/specs_specs_top.h tm or http://tinyurl.com/ckaju

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, "75 mile range", recharge - over night Toys. I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to have an electric car with

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: > Why would there be no brake changes? Electric and hybrid cars have > regenerative braking but they also have ordinary brakes as well. Do they mean the braking system did not use friction? No, I mean they use the electric motor as a generator, and this puts a load on t

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, "75 mile range", recharge - over night Toys. I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to have an electric car with a 75-mile range if it c

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> . . . GM's EV-1 electric vehicle is launched in 1997 with great >> fanfare from California consumers. It was the first perfect car of >> the modern age, requiring no gas, no oil, no mufflers, and no brake >> changes (a billion dollar industry un

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
The lack of a Really Good Battery killed electric cars and no conspiracy is necessary. Find a miracle battery - and , yes, YOU WILL KILL THE OIL COMPANIES. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:05 AM To: vortex-l@e

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . GM's EV-1 electric vehicle is launched in 1997 with great fanfare from California consumers. It was the first perfect car of the modern age, requiring no gas, no oil, no mufflers, and no brake changes (a billion dollar industry unto itself.) Why would there be

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Zell, Chris I wondered why car companies bothered to waste money on them in the first place, but I assume that was because of politics <><><><><><><> See the summary below. Most owners of the EV-1 loved the vehicle. http://dontcrush.com/ Terry "It was among

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
it" build a good diesel hybrid - that has mileage and acceleration - and beat the Japanese? -Original Message- From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? Very interesting. Too bad there

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-29 Thread John Coviello
eally suprising that they are crushing EVs instead of developing them? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Who Killed the EV? Soon to a DVD near you: http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/ and the Sundance Festi

Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-29 Thread hohlrauml6d
Soon to a DVD near you: http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/ and the Sundance Festival. Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com