to the electron after that is
irrelevant to the process from which the electron originated.
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[snip]
MC: remember to look at the DSC scan in Fig. 7. NaH goes strongly exothermic
all by itself in an He atmosphere.
[snip]
..and what conclusion do you draw from this?
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is this not evidence that Helium is a
catalyst?
Mills once consider it to be - has he changed that view?
Not that I am aware of.
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assume you are considering higher energies in order to get the Hydrino closer
to the nucleus. However the only thing preventing even a thermal Hydrino from
getting close, is it's own size. Speeding it up won't make any difference.
[snip]
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a simple circle (e.g. a Lissajous structure) - see my web page
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has an air to the good and great and they rate you highly initially.
Cock up a few times and you get set back, it takes time to win the
confidence back.
Barring repeatable experiments and unequivocal data the good people are too
busy and just can't be bothered.
:)
[snip]
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[snip]
All the energy comes from formation of the Hydrino (108.8 eV worth).
MC: But you get that energy *after* the reaction, not *before*, no?
Indeed. Why is this a problem?
[snip]
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).
If this is the nature of the process, what is the point of choosing
the ionization energy as a criteria for the hydrino process working?
See above.
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not hurt to remind that the review panel said that some research
should be supported.
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, however that doesn't mean much.
Mills does cover the shrinkage of the H2 molecule in one step.
(It's always intrigued me that he never followed through on that.)
[snip]
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, the pursuit of science and pure and applied bullshitology.
[snip]
Nobody knows anything. There is no such thing as knowledge, because knowledge
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will have the
greatest radius. Those with less energy will have a smaller
radius. This leads to a series of concentric shells.
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electrons
and whole atoms within the crystal lattice of the rock, leading to
chemical changes that reveal themselves as discolorations. Sorry,
I have no particular book in mind, but perhaps from this you can
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. You let the mixture flow into a long
narrow reservoir, and gravity separates the two. At the other end,
you remove the oil from the surface, and the water from the
bottom.
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that of the local galactic cluster, or
the supercluster to which it in turn belongs?
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reverse bias, then that is when a high voltage falls across
a very thin chemical layer. The electron leakage current could be
sufficiently accelerated to produce energetic electrons capable of
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the device itself, then you need to look at the Carnot
efficiency of the device (TH-TL)/TH. Having determined the Carnot
efficiency, you probably need to divide this by about a factor of
2 to get somewhere close to real conversion efficiency.
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+ radicals and then freeing the
hydrogen, causing atomic expansion.
..which is almost what I said in my post.
I'm afraid this is more a case of great minds thinking alike
than plagiarism. ;)
On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
If the electrodes do indeed form diodes
of the fine structure constant.
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with the availability of cheap
energy and the increase in combined desalination/deuterium plants
will probably drop considerably).
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they reach the surface, if not before.
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that it was in fact a hydrino reaction powering it.
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... but as this is New Year's day ... perhaps some
readers will appreciate a mystery to ponder
...and in the context of a renewal... of lost focus.
Jones
[snip]
If I had to guess, I'd say Jones is going to point to low
temperature neutron production. ;)
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ribbon feed
anodes and cathodes. (Loops in the ribbon pass slowly through the
cells, such that the anode and cathode are continuously renewed).
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methods will find application.
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, then contamination may only be a minor issue.
However it's also possible that the only requirement is that
certain trace elements (or isotopes) be present, in which case it
may not matter whether or not the actual crystalline structure is
rearranged at a local level.
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the balloon down, but of necessity, the cable
must be conducting. Therefore lightning strikes are going to fry
the power connections on the ground.
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Hi,
This http://www.physorg.com/news9639.html could be used to create
a conducting material with surface holes of 45.58 nm. This size
should act as a resonant cavity for 27.2 eV, making the material a
permanent Mills catalyst, potentially with a power output of kWs /
cm^2.
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.
Then you should request entry into the hydrinophile group and post it:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCQM/
S(c)eptics and crackpots not allowed!
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This http://www.physorg.com/news9639.html could be used to create
a conducting material
to be higher, then the frequency would have to be very
much higher to still get a longer wave.
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side -- though that shouldn't actually make
much difference.
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in the solar atmosphere should act as a hydrino catalyst,
eventually catalyzing the reactions above).
[snip]
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of the
galaxy.
[snip]
Have you considered the possibility that it may be much closer to
home, i.e. in the core of the Earth?
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[snip]
Perhaps this provides a clue:-
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/energy/
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are suggesting -
I think 8-)
It might provide a natural explanation for your alphabet soup.
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of magnitude) than outgoing
radiation pressure.
[snip]
I don't follow you.
I assumed that by radiation pressure you were referring to the
radiation pressure caused by the light emitted by stars. Was I
wrong to make this assumption?
[snip]
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), and the second works out to 511 keV, which is the
mass/energy of the electron.
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, then the positron is just it's mirror
image.
(The mirror image of a flat wavy circle is still the same flat
wavy circle, just turned upside down).
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...
... how excitin'
Jones
Since hydrogen gas is very clearly alpha aether, and it's
dimensions are roughly that of the Bohr radius, I think your
dividing line is probably in the wrong place.
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/2xPi? I.e. how is it measured, and which geometrical
assumptions are applied to the measurement? (i.e. that value
appears to come from assuming the electron is a point particle
spinning around at the Bohr radius).
[snip]
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the
cylinder is wrapped into a torus?
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, or if all vectors are
parallel, then they must of necessity be different in magnitude.
With a torus, this problem doesn't arise.
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the consequence of this is that conservation of charge is
actually conservation of angular momentum. Mirror image particles
are produced concurrently.
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and positrons start annihilating one another.
Two toroids together = 1 new toroid with a charge of 1.
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on this list I believe - use an absentee ballot. These
are on paper, and can't be rigged (they can however get lost).
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not able to be recounted by hand, as almost happened in florida in 2k
[snip]
Then whoever said it might be time for another revolution may have
been correct.
I suspect that when the discrepancy between reality and what is
reported gets too great, there will be one anyway.
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energy gammas ?
[snip]
You can, but because of conservation of angular momentum, you get
an equal number of positrons. Then the positrons go off on their
own, and annihilate an equal number of electrons, so you are back
to square 1.
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the next
one up in scale, results from the need to keep the velocity about
both minor and major radius identical i.e. alpha x c, for all
toroids.
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, produces
enough energy to pay for the processing, and in particular it
destroys the I129, Cs135 and Cs137, so that these are no longer
present in the waste, and hence can't leak out at the burial site
and contaminate ground water.
[snip]
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are taken into account).(Which may be what is in the
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as well, such that the water
layer easily cools the entire reactor.
Some of the hydrogen in the water will absorb a neutron and
eventually convert to Tritium which can then be removed and
used in the reactor.
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- 1E5 degrees IMO), would make
Boltzmann tail production of O++ possible (ideal = 4E5 K).
This then could trigger deuterino production and consequent
nuclear reactions.
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.
However as noted in my other post, this sort of temperature is
just fine for creating O++.
(BTW acetone contains an Oxygen atom, and it's double bond to
carbon may make it particularly susceptible to becoming O++ is a
high temperature environment.)
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, the net energy from
this reaction increases to 12.9 MeV / fusion reaction, which is
about 73% of the fusion energy. IOW the breeding step nearly
doubles the overall energy output.
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of the Hy + Li7 - 2 x He4 reaction
would be even greater. This despite the fact that the cross
section for p-Li7 is quite low. IOW I suspect that the long
confinement times and high densities made possible by hydrinos
will drastically alter the reaction cross section.
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blowing somewhere.
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to produce T. This should still be a breeder.
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. Grimes,
It's been a little while since last I annoyed you, so I thought I
would just drop in for moment to see if you had made any progress
on detecting heat from the 22 nm tubes?
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in that
year. (No one cares how much D is lost when producing heavy
water).
Bottom line, I still think this may be marginally possible, but it
would require more detailed analysis to be sure, and of course
real experimental evidence already gained doesn't hurt. ;)
[snip]
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If the batteries are connected in series such that the total
voltage roughly equals that of the grid, then no transformer is
necessary, and the charger efficiency is increased.
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Hi,
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 I wrote:-
--
In reply to Mitchell Jones's message of Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:18:54
-0500:
[snip]
***{How can pressure rise from 8 to 5200 mbar after all of the CO2 in the
atmosphere--i.e., 90% by
temperature superconducting wires or hydrogen pipelines may allow
electricity to be transmitted across the continent.
[snip]
Georgia also has it's own renewable resource just off the coast,
in the form of the Gulf Stream.
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them a car that runs on
water, they'll buy it. It's up to us (ao) to ensure that it also
benefits the environment.
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) is
correct, it means we would hit the 500 ppm tipping point in 7
years time.
We should therefore expect to hit it sooner.
Horace please correct any egregious errors.
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analysis.
Carbon nano tubes may make a good platform for launching EVs. An
EV accelerated by a chemical differential voltage of up to 3 volts
could accelerate a deuteron up to an energy of 3 * 2 * 1836 = 11
keV. Enough to bring about a fusion reaction.
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about this number of three.
[snip]
There's nothing magic about it, it's a direct consequence of
living in a 3 dimensional universe. Point objects have 3 degrees
of freedom.
The rings demonstrate that beautifully.
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be
leaving more CO2 in the atmosphere (because CO2 would saturate
surface water, then not be removed), so that our contribution
accumulates faster.
(BTW krill are crustaceans, so they should be creating CO2, not
consuming it).
[snip]
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of
some kind, and we don't even know what family of curve to apply.
I tried to show that even an exponential curve doesn't appear to
be rising fast enough, so yes I think we are up the proverbial
creek without a paddle.
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detract from the basic facts. What
I said stands. The number 3 is a direct consequence of living in a
3 dimensional universe.
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with your original suggestion of LiOD?
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[snip]
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I tried to show that even an exponential curve doesn't appear to
be rising fast enough, so yes I think we are up the proverbial
creek without a paddle
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:06:25
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Hi,
[snip]
What is the uncertainty in these figures?
Harry
[snip]
I have no idea. However at least one of them applies to only one
specific measurement station.
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..but then so is everything in it, thus bound by the same rules.
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object.
You still can't see the back of it, and even if you could, you're
still only looking at the surface.
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but is would be
just as effective.
You're ball of wool is still 3 dimensional.
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the number three because we live in a 3
dimensional universe.
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of kinetic energy, due to it's
proximity to the reaction. This would be a clean nuclear reaction,
resulting only in energetic He3 and protons.
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really makes me wonder sometimes. How can a
beam that is capable of penetrating materials without a loss in
energy shatter target material? How does it decide whether to go
through or destroy?
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Hi,
These are about the right size to resonate with ground state
hydrogen, which would release hydrino heat.
http://www.physorg.com/news63003999.html
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that also showed that the Elves run and control the European Union and the
United Nations.
I think the gnomes of Zurich is a bit more likely. ;)
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at a dimensional
frequency of one megahertz-meter
I tried the same same experiment with cheep titianum oxide nanoparicles. It
did not work for me, yet.
[snip]
TiO2 is not a conductor, gold is.
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a worse partner.
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see that in the 316 Stainless that they use, Mo is
also present. Bonus point.
(Ions formed at the anode migrate to the cathode where they get
converted back into atoms, at which point they can catalyze Mills
reactions).
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In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:56:52
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Hi,
[snip]
HOWEVER, what motion can possibly eliminate the macroscopic magnetic field
of a permanent magnet??
[snip]
The motion of sufficient positrons into the magnet to annihilate
all the electrons. :^]
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possible that Reich actually discovered hydrinos in the
environment, but didn't realize what he had.
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or the hydrino,
so they assigned this energy level to what they knew best. Is
there more to the story ?
Note that they have been experimenting with this for 20 years,
i.e. since 1986 when Mills first published his theory. I doubt
it's a coincidence.
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by various solids, and
possibly turning radioactive if kept too long.
Yes, but the fly in the ointment is that the cell reportedly turns
cold during operation...
Naturally. Pull a soft vacuum on water and watch it cool.
I see Fred beat me to it! :)
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hydrinohydride attached. The bond
strength would be at most 70 eV, allowing for slow but regular
exchange. As Argon it is chemically inert, and hence gaseous,
while without the hydrinohydride, it reverts to true Potassium and
once again becomes an ion ending up back in the water.
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explain how the essence of the
cell can penetrate an Al plate to enter the carburetor, while
H[n1/25] could do that easily.
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by a microwave pulse in the cylinders of an ICE
turning a generator?
This is close to what we wanted try a few years back.
Unfortunately, the engine seals leaked like a sieve.
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it can form the (H3O*) entity.
[snip]
Maybe, but the lifetime of electronium is way to short, and it's
going in the wrong direction. H3O* in the cell isn't going to make
any difference to what's going on in the engine.
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obvious problem is that about 7% of Potassium is K41,
which with embedded hydrinohydride would result in Ar42, which one
might therefore expect to be some percentage of Ar. However to the
best of my knowledge, there is no Ar42.
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the same energy level,
which is why I suggested 70 eV.
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]
...not of course, if the microwaves are creating hydrinos from the
water vapor.
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Hi,
I just came across this:-
http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/forum/hydrinopower.html
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= driving time.
Hmmm, to deliver 500 kWhr in 8 minutes at 240 V . . .
500 kWhr x 60 = 30 MWmin
30 MWmin / 8 min = 3.75 MW instantaneous
15,625 Amps?
[snip]
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?
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[snip]
Yeah, mate; but, that isn't an American SUV. g
SUV's are a passing fad.
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Robin van Spaandonk
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Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides
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