Anthony Baxter wrote:
On Wednesday 13 April 2005 23:05, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Buggy? I don't think ZCML is buggy. Where's that coming from?
I wouldn't say ZCML is *buggy* as such, but it _is_ an utter pain
in the arse to debug and get right. If you spell it wrong, you either
get a broken web appli
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:01:41PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
If you spell it wrong, you either
get a broken web application with no useful traceback, or else a
monstously hideous traceback that's almost entirely useless.
This is also part of why I've never been able to ge
Hey,
Paul Boddie wrote:
[snip]
What I'm advocating is this:
* That the community provides narrow/thin but *completely
separate* components/solutions which offer very well-defined
benefits - eg. Web APIs, templating systems, database access
layers. These things shouldn't be mixed up in
Greg Wilson wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
...I firmly believe in "unbundling" templating languages from frameworks.
But doesn't that just make more work for the poor sods who are trying to
build things? After all, they have to rebundle them, don't they?
I think there's a difference between mainta
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 05:31:59PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> How would you deal with the flexibility requirements that these systems
> have, though?
I have no idea what these requirements are. However, I do think that,
if your implementation requires infrastructure that builds a whole new
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 05:31:59PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
How would you deal with the flexibility requirements that these systems
have, though?
I have no idea what these requirements are.
Someone builds some web app or framework/app, for instance, a CMS.
Now someone
Martijn Faassen wrote:
I've sighed a few times the last months when I ran into more and more
Python-based schema and form frameworks. I developed Formulator for Zope
2 pretty early on, and was involved in 2002 in setting up Zope 3's
schema framework, so I've contributed to the problem. In the Zo
On Tuesday 19 April 2005 17:53, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>
> This sounds good. I think it would be good if Python web frameworks
> turned more into users of a cloud of focused, smaller, libraries and
> mini-frameworks.
That would be great!
> I've sighed a few times the last months when I ran into m
Paul Boddie wrote:
On Tuesday 19 April 2005 17:53, Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
For what it's worth, I've also developed some schema and form frameworks. ;-)
I think the reason for the re-invention, also in the Web frameworks arena, is
that people look at the design decisions and think, "That's
> In my opinion, ClearSilver was one of the more under-rated template
> technologies.
I think templating engines are really a matter of taste (or distaste
;) I worked with one of the developers of ClearSilver, Paul Clegg,
but nonetheless my company decided not to use it in favor of Cheetah.
Thes
Paul Boddie wrote:
I've sighed a few times the last months when I ran into more and more
Python-based schema and form frameworks. I developed Formulator for Zope
2 pretty early on, and was involved in 2002 in setting up Zope 3's
schema framework, so I've contributed to the problem. In the Zope worl
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