Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Alan Kennedy
[Etienne] > If you want to start a thread for Bobo, please switch mailing-list or > create a new thread, as all I wanted was to tell Jim my disappointement > regarding Bobo, and I still think its not very revolutionary. I completely disagree; this is definitely the appopriate list for discussing w

Re: [Web-SIG] FYI: nbhttp

2009-06-16 Thread Mark Nottingham
The biggest functional difference (there are cosmetic ones that could be papered over) is that there needs to be some way to pause bytes being pushed out; this was discussed a LONG time ago here WRT async servers (I haven't followed discussion closely since, so apologies if I've missed some

Re: [Web-SIG] FYI: nbhttp

2009-06-16 Thread Graham Dumpleton
2009/6/17 Mark Nottingham : > I've recently put up a library that I've been working on for a little while, > nbhttp: >   > > "nb" stands for non-blocking; this is explicitly an > asynchronous/event-driven library, with both a server and a client > componen

[Web-SIG] FYI: nbhttp

2009-06-16 Thread Mark Nottingham
I've recently put up a library that I've been working on for a little while, nbhttp: "nb" stands for non-blocking; this is explicitly an asynchronous/event- driven library, with both a server and a client component. They can be trivially used tog

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread David Stanek
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > If you want to start a thread for Bobo, please switch mailing-list or > create a new thread, as all I wanted was to tell Jim my disappointement > regarding Bobo, and I still think its not very revolutionary. > Depends on what you mean b

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Etienne Robillard
Pfft, I bet this thread would have never happened without my initial intervention. Likewise, I think you're just using this thread for your own interests, disregarding my own arguments on why web frameworks are so hard to cope with. If you want to start a thread for Bobo, please switch mailing-li

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread C. Titus Brown
Hey all, I think we can pretty safely ignore Etienne as either a troll or an unnecessarily rude person. Has anyone looked at Bobo yet? I'd be interested in comparisons between it and Quixote, which is what I've mostly used in the past. I believe that Bobo begat Zope, which begat Quixote as (I t

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Jason Briggs
Typical. The first time I make the effort to reply to the list, I reply-to-sender rather than to-list. I'm a muppet. Anyway, reply below Begin forwarded message: From: Jason Briggs Date: 16 June 2009 20:04:46 BST To: Etienne Robillard Subject: Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo "Ad hom

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:51:48PM -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote: > Hey, don't you people know that you could use a more polite word > than "Hey" to salute people ? > > I'm just telling my own views. If you disagree then please say something > more meaningful than this. Who cares what you know.

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Etienne Robillard
I recommend you quit using latin to try looking smarter. ;) I do I'm discouraged to see so much adversion between Python web frameworks fighting for the same goal. To say that "you don't to be a genius" implies that all other web frameworks are made for geniuses, which is probably offending for

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Etienne Robillard
Hey, don't you people know that you could use a more polite word than "Hey" to salute people ? I'm just telling my own views. If you disagree then please say something more meaningful than this. Who cares what you know. Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:15:29PM -0400, Etienne

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:15:29PM -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote: > I think that if this Jim guy has lots of experience then at least he > could not pretend that other people works are made by/for geniuses, > which is probably untrue anyway. Hey, I don't understand why are being so negative with

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Aaron Watters wrote: [snip] > If python had a framework that had a simple and > straightforward organization 5 to 10 years ago I don't > think either PHP or Ruby/Rails would have ever evolved. 5 years ago would've been far too late for PHP. Even 10 years ago;

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Duncan M. McGreggor
Jim Fulton wrote: > Bobo is a light-weight framework for creating WSGI web applications. > > It's goal is to be easy to use and remember. You don't have to be a genius. > > It addresses 2 problems: > > - Mapping URLs to objects > > - Calling objects to generate HTTP responses > > Bobo doesn't

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Nathan Yergler
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Martin, > > I don't care about '97, pretty much. > > I think that if this Jim guy has lots of experience then at least he > could not pretend that other people works are made by/for geniuses, > which is probably untrue anyway. How do yo

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > I don't care about '97, pretty much. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. :) > I think that if this Jim guy has lots of experience then at least he > could not pretend that other people works are made by/f

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Aaron Watters
> Nobody minds calling functions from other > functions -- > that's basics of programming, but for some reason URL > dispatching is > seen as something different. Why? I don't know, but every time I see a strange data structure with regular expressions in it that is supposed to define my web app

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Etienne Robillard
Martin, I don't care about '97, pretty much. I think that if this Jim guy has lots of experience then at least he could not pretend that other people works are made by/for geniuses, which is probably untrue anyway. There's other ways to advertise a open source project. One method is to discrimi

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread P.J. Eby
At 05:19 PM 6/16/2009 +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Nothing very new here. At least next time try to be a little more > creative, otherwise this is getting slightly boring and repetitive... It's a bit rich to call Jim Fulton unc

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Nothing very new here. At least next time try to be a little more > creative, otherwise this is getting slightly boring and repetitive... It's a bit rich to call Jim Fulton uncreative concerning web development. I suggest you delv

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Sergey Schetinin
On 2009-06-16, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Nothing very new here. At least next time try to be a little more > creative, otherwise this is getting slightly boring and repetitive... > I think that's a bit rough, but indeed there are quite a few frameworks / components that do this thing and I k

Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Etienne Robillard
Nothing very new here. At least next time try to be a little more creative, otherwise this is getting slightly boring and repetitive... Regards, -- Etienne Jim Fulton wrote: > Bobo is a light-weight framework for creating WSGI web applications. > > It's goal is to be easy to use and remember. Y

[Web-SIG] Announcing bobo

2009-06-16 Thread Jim Fulton
Bobo is a light-weight framework for creating WSGI web applications. It's goal is to be easy to use and remember. You don't have to be a genius. It addresses 2 problems: - Mapping URLs to objects - Calling objects to generate HTTP responses Bobo doesn't have a templateing language, a datab