Re: [Web-SIG] Fwd: Can writing to stderr be evil for web apps?

2012-05-19 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On 19 May 2012 22:36, anatoly techtonik wrote: > Hi, > > Martin expressed concerns that using logging module with stderr output > can break web applications, such as PyPI. I couldn't find any proof or > denials for this fact, and it became a showstopper for me for further > contributions to PyPI,

Re: [Web-SIG] Fwd: Can writing to stderr be evil for web apps?

2012-05-19 Thread Alan Kennedy
[anatoly] > Martin expressed concerns that using logging module with stderr output > can break web applications, such as PyPI. Please can you specify exactly what you mean by "using logging module with stderr output"? Dealing with stderr is a webserver specific concern. Consider the case where y

[Web-SIG] Fwd: Can writing to stderr be evil for web apps?

2012-05-19 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, Martin expressed concerns that using logging module with stderr output can break web applications, such as PyPI. I couldn't find any proof or denials for this fact, and it became a showstopper for me for further contributions to PyPI, because clearly I can't write good code without the sense o

Re: [Web-SIG] Web message confirmation and Mailman upgrade

2012-05-19 Thread Masklinn
On 2012-05-19, at 13:32 , anatoly techtonik wrote: > Hi, > > It really bugs me to use Mailman workflow for discussions in 2012. > Why a WEB-SIG uses non-web technology for communicating anyway? Because it works, it works well, and it's a standard communication tool in and around Python? Why "fix

[Web-SIG] Web message confirmation and Mailman upgrade

2012-05-19 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, It really bugs me to use Mailman workflow for discussions in 2012. Why a WEB-SIG uses non-web technology for communicating anyway? Is the web still unsuitable technology itself for communication? What do you think about entry barrier for new people to this list? Do you know that you can't sen