Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-31 Thread ron_m
That leaves taxes which aren't a factor here :-)

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Christopher Steel
They will figure it out, they can always check out Wikipedia for instruction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_Dictator_For_Life :) On Dec 29, 12:04 pm, mdipierro wrote: > I will amend my will to release the book under an open source license. > > You guys really think my "heirs" even kno

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Branko Vukelić
2010/12/30 mdipierro : > It is more that people in US are obsessed with lawsuits. ;-) Lawsuits and death. Very nice. :) -- Branko Vukelic stu...@brankovukelic.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread mdipierro
It is more that people in US are obsessed with lawsuits. ;-) On Dec 29, 4:30 pm, Branko Vukelić wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Bruno Rocha wrote: > > > This thread can be historical like that > > one: http://www.python.org/search/hypermail/python-1994q2/1040.html which > > was the s

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Branko Vukelić
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Bruno Rocha wrote: > > This thread can be historical like that > one: http://www.python.org/search/hypermail/python-1994q2/1040.html which > was the start of PSF Why are Westerners so obsessed with death? That's quite amazing. -- Branko Vukelic stu...@brankovu

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Luther Goh Lu Feng
Maybe they think you are watching youtube videos :p On Dec 30, 1:04 am, mdipierro wrote: > I will amend my will to release the book under an open source license. > > You guys really think my "heirs" even know what I do in front of the > computer all day? > > Massimo > > On Dec 29, 10:26 am, Antho

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Bruno Rocha
This thread can be historical like that one: http://www.python.org/search/hypermail/python-1994q2/1040.html which was the start of PSF

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread mikech
Perhaps try the Software Conservance again? I see that they recently accepted PyPy and Git On Dec 28, 9:28 am, mdipierro wrote: > A foundation is a corporation and, believe it or not, in US a > corporation is a person: > >  http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2010/01/the...

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Branko Vukelić
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:04 PM, mdipierro wrote: > I will amend my will to release the book under an open source license. > > You guys really think my "heirs" even know what I do in front of the > computer all day? I dunno, but could you ask them if they'd sue people who would dare continue the

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread mdipierro
I will amend my will to release the book under an open source license. You guys really think my "heirs" even know what I do in front of the computer all day? Massimo On Dec 29, 10:26 am, Anthony wrote: > Also, what about the book? Would the community have to start from scratch on > new document

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread mdipierro
Right. I will make sure in my will web2py trademark is released on my death. On Dec 29, 2:41 am, Graham Dumpleton wrote: > On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:48:51 PM UTC+11, stu...@brankovukelic.com > wrote: > > > > It is an open question whether distribution of such modified copies are > > > leg

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Anthony
Also, what about the book? Would the community have to start from scratch on new documentation? The online version says "modified content cannot be reproduced." Anthony On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:21:20 AM UTC-5, Graham Dumpleton wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:49:17 PM U

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Stefaan Himpe
I would like to see web2py becomes matured in a similar model as Drupal, at lease with a PR manager, a release manager, a documentation manager, and a newbie-assistance manager, together with a platform that attracts developers and encourages contribution. Massimo's role should be in developing an

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-29 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:48:51 PM UTC+11, stu...@brankovukelic.com wrote: > > > It is an open question whether distribution of such modified copies are > > legally allowed to still be called web2py if Massimo has sole legal > rights > > on the name. Thus, you may be able to do that, bu

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Branko Vukelić
> It is an open question whether distribution of such modified copies are > legally allowed to still be called web2py if Massimo has sole legal rights > on the name. Thus, you may be able to do that, but you likely would have to > call it something other than web2py. Well, uneless dead people can

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:49:17 PM UTC+11, Magnitus wrote: > > Wow, some heavy duty concerns in this thread... > > I'm not fully versed in the detailed legalities of those things, but > I'll elaborate things as I understand them and perhaps I can be > corrected if I'm wrong... > > Bas

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Magnitus
Wow, some heavy duty concerns in this thread... I'm not fully versed in the detailed legalities of those things, but I'll elaborate things as I understand them and perhaps I can be corrected if I'm wrong... Basically, I get Web2py under the GLP licence. Under that licence, I can: 1) Use and dis

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Branko Vukelić
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:21 PM, mdipierro wrote: > benevolent? What? Prefer malevolent? :) -- Branko Vukelic stu...@brankovukelic.com http://www.brankovukelic.com/

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Tim Alexander
Something like that. We could go with "semi tolerant dictator for life"... :) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:21 PM, mdipierro wrote: > benevolent? > > On Dec 28, 4:01 pm, Christopher Steel wrote: > > While it is not required due to the nature of his position, I do > > hereby officially recognize Ma

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread mdipierro
benevolent? On Dec 28, 4:01 pm, Christopher Steel wrote: > While it is not required due to the nature of his position, I do > hereby officially recognize Massimo Di Pierro as Web2py's Benevolent > Dictator for Life as is in keeping with the Pythonic and opensource > tradition and in recognition o

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Christopher Steel
While it is not required due to the nature of his position, I do hereby officially recognize Massimo Di Pierro as Web2py's Benevolent Dictator for Life as is in keeping with the Pythonic and opensource tradition and in recognition of his leadership and nurturing role in the development and maintena

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread VP
>>Then maybe a bit of info around massimo being the BDFL (python/linux, >> benevolent dictator for life) being out there might work. As said before, >> seems very much like a perception problem rather than something that will be >> solved via some sort of company or group running things rather th

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Tim Alexander
Then maybe a bit of info around massimo being the BDFL (python/linux, benevolent dictator for life) being out there might work. As said before, seems very much like a perception problem rather than something that will be solved via some sort of company or group running things rather than a single p

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Dec 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, VP wrote: > > I love the fact that if I have a problem with web2py and asked a > question, Massimo will likely answer it. But the perceptual problem > of web2py is a single-person effort is real. Massimo fixes most of > the bugs (it seems so). Massimo is mainly res

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread VP
I love the fact that if I have a problem with web2py and asked a question, Massimo will likely answer it. But the perceptual problem of web2py is a single-person effort is real. Massimo fixes most of the bugs (it seems so). Massimo is mainly responsible for PR. Massimo is in charge of experts4so

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread ron_m
+1 we don't want too many cooks without a head chef.

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Michele Comitini
Should we push the expert4solutions brand a bit more? Yes but, not too much IMHO. That would suffice for some time eventually expert4solutions should care about creating a foundation or other amenities if there is enough busine$$ or investment on web2py. mic 2010/12/28 pbreit : > I think we're

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Dec 28, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Bruno Rocha wrote: > > So the question: who can > > take over web2py, if Massimo no longer commits to it for whatever > > reason? It is not clear. > > Looking at people list at google code page, I see Jlundell with comitter > role. http://code.google.com/p/web2py/p

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Vasile Ermicioi
I think web2py (Massimo) is moving in the right direction making web2py more modular (dal) or using some ready solution (rocket or cherrypy server before) doing so we can easily get experts for different modules

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread pbreit
I think we're OK for now. While there is a small perceptual problem of web2py being a single person's effort, I think at this stage it is beneficial for Massimo to continue with his rapid and prudent improvements. The best thing now is for more people to become web2py experts. There's a lot of

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Bruno Rocha
> > > So the question: who can > > take over web2py, if Massimo no longer commits to it for whatever > > reason? It is not clear. > Looking at people list at google code page, I see Jlundell with comitter role. http://code.google.com/p/web2py/people/list Other contributors can write code reviews

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread mdipierro
This is incorrect. You should look at the "thanks" in the commit log. I am not happy with Ranking contributors but Jonathan L., Thadeus B., Mariano R., Alvaro J., Iceberg to name a few. They know web2py as well as I do (and some parts better). Massimo On Dec 28, 12:03 pm, VP wrote: > For what i

Re: [web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Branko Vukelić
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:28 PM, mdipierro wrote: >  http://www.google.com/trends?q=django? FTR, the graph is for the 'keyword' Django, which can be many things, and doesn't reflect the popularity of either the keyword or the Django project. The overall volume of searches for the keyword includes

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread VP
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents: I think the concern that web2py is a one-man framework and how the makes enterprises (big guys) adopt web2py is a valid concern. Although in theory, people can simply fork web2py when Massimo no longer commits to the project, for whichever reason, from a bys

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread mdipierro
A foundation is a corporation and, believe it or not, in US a corporation is a person: http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2010/01/the-corporation-is-a-legal-person-get-over-it.html The Django foundation was created two years ago (and Django is 4-5 years older than web2py

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread weheh
Sorry Graham, I meant you are right. On Dec 28, 3:47 am, weheh wrote: > Gary is right.

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread weheh
Unless Massimo has already willed the copyright and other web2py IP to ...?

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread weheh
Gary is right.

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-28 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:37:30 PM UTC+11, mdipierro wrote: > > Not sure what a single person framework means. This framework counts > almost 100 contributors and at least 50 people very skilled here. If I > get hit by a track any of them can take over by forking my branch as > allowed b

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-27 Thread Pepe Araya
Sorry, I only did a question, not a claim... I know this community and framework and I know that there are a lot of people collaborating. I mentioned the "single-person" phrase beacause is what I always read in the reviews about web2py vs others frameworks. It's not what I think. Now, I have

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-27 Thread mdipierro
Not sure what a single person framework means. This framework counts almost 100 contributors and at least 50 people very skilled here. If I get hit by a track any of them can take over by forking my branch as allowed by the license. The purpose of the foundation is to collect money for development

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-27 Thread weheh
Non-for-profits take a lot to setup and administer ... more so than corporations. I've set up all different types of corps: Schedule S, Schedule C, LLCs, but never a 501c3 (non-profit). I have 2 family members who have extensive experience setting up and administering 501c3's and from talking with

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-27 Thread Vincent
On Dec 27, 8:46 pm, Pepe Araya wrote: > Hi, > > some news about this topic? > > I think 2 things are going in favor of creating a foundation or [whatever]: > 1. the community has grown a lot. > 2. in all the reviews I read about web2py, always, always, ALWAYS!!! say it > is a single-person frame

[web2py] Re: Web2Py Foundation?

2010-12-27 Thread Pepe Araya
Hi, some news about this topic? I think 2 things are going in favor of creating a foundation or [whatever]: 1. the community has grown a lot. 2. in all the reviews I read about web2py, always, always, ALWAYS!!! say it is a single-person framework and that takes away the future security of their