Re: [OT] JSF vs. WebObjects

2008-03-05 Thread Jérémy DE ROYER
Is JSF still alive ? Two years ago, we started a project using it. People said it was the ultimate Java solution, better than strunt. Using it with hibernate, looked great, seemed to be as easy as WebObjects... if you don't know WebObjects and you want a 100 % SUN Java Solution. But, as F

Re: [OT] JSF vs. WebObjects

2008-03-05 Thread Chuck Hill
On Mar 5, 2008, at 5:34 PM, David den Boer wrote: The problem with Tapestry is that it changes so drastically from version to version, which is what caused us to look at JSF for a project that absolutely could not be WO. Oracle ADF is actively developed, and from experiences of colleagues,

Re: [OT] JSF vs. WebObjects

2008-03-05 Thread David den Boer
3 words : pointy haired boss On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:14 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: A project inside Apple that cannot use WO ? That's a really bad sign... The problem with Tapestry is that it changes so drastically from version to version, which is what caused us to look at JSF for a project

Re: [OT] JSF vs. WebObjects

2008-03-05 Thread Pascal Robert
A project inside Apple that cannot use WO ? That's a really bad sign... The problem with Tapestry is that it changes so drastically from version to version, which is what caused us to look at JSF for a project that absolutely could not be WO. Oracle ADF is actively developed, and from experi

Re: [OT] JSF vs. WebObjects

2008-03-05 Thread David den Boer
The problem with Tapestry is that it changes so drastically from version to version, which is what caused us to look at JSF for a project that absolutely could not be WO. Oracle ADF is actively developed, and from experiences of colleagues, is a nightmare, and these are not WO people saying t

Re: [OT] JSF vs. WebObjects

2008-03-03 Thread Frédéric JECKER
I've used JSF (MyFaces) on a one year project before moving to WO (two years ago), here are my feelings: - A lot of XML configuration needed - Uneasy component extension/creation - Needs mixing HTML/JSP/JSF to achieve some goals - Heavy This was true two years ago, but now ? Despite those negati

[OT] JSF vs. WebObjects

2008-03-02 Thread Geoff Hopson
Greetings, I have a nice new greenfield application to work on, with the caveat that the web framework be constructed using JSF components. I don't know much about JSF, but a few days playing with it makes me think that it is going to frustrate me. Number one gripe is the amount of HTML I have to