[Webware-discuss] job posting: part-time QA contractor (functional/unit testing) needed over next 2 months

2006-02-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi, my partners and I need a contractor with QA and technical writing experience to work with us part-time. We're working on a challenging project with a tight deadline. In two months we have to create a health-care related order processing and tracking system with barcode integration and users i

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Cheetahtemplate-discuss] Re: Import speed issue

2003-10-31 Thread Tavis Rudd
Same here. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > time cheetah -c sites/control-panel/utils/PageHeader.tmpl Compiling sites/control-panel/utils/PageHeader.tmpl -> sites/control-panel/utils/PageHeader.py (backup sites/control-panel/utils/PageHeader.py_bak) real0m0.345s user0m0.210s sys 0m0.028s [EMA

Re: [Webware-discuss] Even more event driven forms (ala ASP.NET)?

2003-09-16 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi, if the code below is doing what I think it's doing, i.e. unpickling that field, you're opening yourself up to arbitrary code execution. Unpickle should never be used with strings that come the user. Cheers, Tavis On Tuesday 16 September 2003 01:32, deelan wrote: > if self.postback: >

Re: [Webware-discuss] CVS entering period of instability

2003-03-22 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Saturday 22 March 2003 17:06, Tripp Lilley wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > Why don't you create a temporary development branch of the cvs? > > I gotta throw a +1 onto this fire :) I synced the other night to the CVS > head having not seen this message

Re: [Webware-discuss] webware best practice question

2003-03-21 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Friday 21 March 2003 10:15, Aaron Held wrote: > To render a form I use something like: > > > #for $field in $fields:: > $field.label > #end > #for $row in $ResultSet: > > #for $field in $row: > $field.value > #end > > #end though, Cheetah doesn't

Re: [Webware-discuss] CVS entering period of instability

2003-03-21 Thread Tavis Rudd
Why don't you create a temporary development branch of the cvs? On Wednesday 19 March 2003 04:04, Ian Bicking wrote: > I've committed large changes to Application.py (a core class) to CVS. > This could introduce bugs into lots of code, far and wide. It currently > changes semantics somewhat as we

Re: [Webware-discuss] CVS entering period of instability

2003-03-19 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:11, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 12:46, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > Why don't you create a temporary development branch of the cvs? > > Hmm... maybe so. Except there aren't significant differences between > the pre-checkin code in

Re: [Webware-discuss] AppServer restart from servlet

2003-03-01 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Saturday 01 March 2003 22:12, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 20:43, Randall Randall wrote: > > Is there a 'normal' way to restart the AppServer from within > > a page? Calling self.application().server().restart() doesn't > > seem to do it (though it does prevent the page from actua

the rant about kits (was Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: Webware-discuss digest)

2003-03-01 Thread Tavis Rudd
Whoa, that is quite the rant. Although I think he's wrong about the 90% and I don't agree with splitting them off, he does have a point. When I was a beginning webware user it wasn't immediately clear that WebKit was the core and could be used independently. Frankly, the alpha quality stuff

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: Thanks For Signing UP!

2002-12-11 Thread Tavis Rudd
+2 On December 11, 2002 12:19 pm, Tim Roberts wrote: > Count this as a +1 vote for restricting list posts to list members only. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility Learn to use your power at OSDN

Re: [Webware-discuss] problems installing mod_webkit, apache1.3.2 7, rh8.0

2002-12-04 Thread Tavis Rudd
Like Jay said you don't seem to be doing it the standard DSO way. Usually all I have to do is: 1) install Apache with DSO support: something like ./configure --enable-module=so <...rest of config options ...> 2) edit the mod_webkit Makefile so it points to the correct version on apxs 3) ty

Re: [Webware-discuss] problems installing mod_webkit, apache1.3.2 7, rh8.0

2002-12-04 Thread Tavis Rudd
Have you tried building it as a DSO module like Jay's installation instructions suggest? On December 4, 2002 09:34 am, Love, Jay wrote: > I don't know, I've never built it as anything other than a module. You're > trying to build it into the main httpd binary. I assume you're doing that > on pu

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Cheetahtemplate-discuss] Re: cheetah not thread safe

2002-12-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
n December 2, 2002 12:01 am, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 01:32, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > If you decide to use the 'thread-shareable' approach, you'll probably > > have to spend some extra time working around issues that most webware > > user

[Webware-discuss] Fwd: [Cheetahtemplate-discuss] Re: cheetah not thread safe

2002-12-01 Thread Tavis Rudd
well, I guess the non-Cheetah part of this might be interesting to webware-discuss folk as well ... -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [Cheetahtemplate-discuss] Re: cheetah not thread safe Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:32:37 -0800 From: Tavis Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: M

Re: [Webware-discuss] cheetah not thread safe

2002-12-01 Thread Tavis Rudd
... thread continuing on [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... On December 1, 2002 07:43 pm, Michael Engelhart wrote: > I was just looking through the archives to see how to use FunFormKit > with Cheetah and saw a post that said that Cheetah is not thread safe. > Is this true?? > > THanks for any insight. > > M

Re: [Webware-discuss] Lightweight PSP approach?

2002-11-21 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi David, you can use Cheetah, which includes basic psp syntax, with cgi. I believe the same is possible with PSP, but I don't know the details of how. I'm curious why your customer is requesting this. It's bizarre considering that they'll take an instant hit in security, performance, functiona

Re: [Webware-discuss] WebUtils.HTMLTag.pprint anomaly

2002-11-12 Thread Tavis Rudd
On November 12, 2002 01:34 am, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: > A hosting option that looks interesting is "freebsd virtual server" > which I believe would let you run anything you want. The last time I > researched them, entry level ones were around $50/month and many of the > companies looked, um, "main

Re: [Webware-discuss] Unexlpained server death

2002-11-01 Thread Tavis Rudd
> On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 13:06, Tracy Ruggles wrote: > > The logs seem to show bot & spider activity at about the same time that > > server drops out, but, again I have no trace of what happened, or an > > ability to verify that it's a bot that's killing it, or even being able > > reproduce the erro

Re: [Webware-devel] Re: Fwd: Re: [Webware-discuss] Documentation

2002-10-25 Thread Tavis Rudd
why are both lists being cc'd on this thread? I assume that the webware-devel subscribers also get webware-discuss, so can we post to one or the other? cheers, Tavis --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Influence the future of Java(TM) techn

Re: [Webware-discuss] Minimal object-relational Wrapper...

2002-10-14 Thread Tavis Rudd
On October 14, 2002 07:04 am, Stephan Diehl wrote: > If anybody would be interested, I'd write some documentation (sorry not > done yet) and publish what I have. > At the moment, only MySQL is supported. The stuff is definatelly pre alpha, > but runs without a problem for a couple of month in an i

[Webware-discuss] PSP parsing bug

2002-10-10 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi, I just noticed a little parsing bug in PSP. This example from the docs: < psp:method name="MyClassMethod" params="var1, var2"> import string return string.join((var1,var2),'') fails because PSP can't handle a space between the opening < and psp:method. This is with the cvs version of

Re: [Webware-discuss] reloading source modules

2002-09-25 Thread Tavis Rudd
e requests are finished before the restart happens and the shutdown is clean (sessions stored to disk, etc.) Tavis On September 25, 2002 05:44 pm, Mike Orr wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 12:00:26PM -0700, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > Actually, I have implemented this in expWebware and it

Re: [Webware-discuss] reloading source modules

2002-09-25 Thread Tavis Rudd
On September 25, 2002 02:04 pm, Jason Hildebrand wrote: > Here are a couple of ideas for improving the implementation, though. > > One procedure I do fairly often is to 'cvs update' my application then > restart the server. I'm not sure if your implementation will work > flawlessly in the situati

Re: [Webware-discuss] reloading source modules

2002-09-25 Thread Tavis Rudd
On September 25, 2002 12:56 pm, Jason Hildebrand wrote: > Cool! It's basically the same idea that I had > (see http://webware.colorstudy.net/twiki/bin/view/Webware/OneShot), but > it's the application server that restarts itself, not some external > entity, which makes it much cleaner and more ge

Re: [Webware-discuss] reloading source modules

2002-09-25 Thread Tavis Rudd
eturn self.restart() #!/usr/bin/env python """Provides a multi-port socket server that dispatches connections on multiple ports to the services that are bound to them. Its main use is to dispatch connections from Webware adapters to the WebKit AppServer. """ #

Re: [Webware-discuss] Getting at serverSidePath earlier than awake phase

2002-09-12 Thread Tavis Rudd
On September 12, 2002 08:46 pm, Edmund wrote: > On 09/12/2002 11:39:13 PM Tavis Rudd wrote: > >Unfortunately not. I've run into this before. Making it possible would > >require huge changes. > > Hmmm... I'm glad you replied Tavis, because the function was actua

Re: [Webware-discuss] Getting at serverSidePath earlier than awake phase

2002-09-12 Thread Tavis Rudd
Unfortunately not. I've run into this before. Making it possible would require huge changes. Tavis On September 12, 2002 08:27 pm, Edmund Lian wrote: > I have a version of Page.py that implements a function to calculate the > absolute path to a given file: > > def decodePath(self, file): >

Re: [Webware-discuss] Example of singleton for site?

2002-09-10 Thread Tavis Rudd
On September 10, 2002 01:14 pm, Tim Roberts wrote: > >> As a stylistic note: you should not generally use > >> double underscores as a lead- > >> in for your own variable names. Those are reserved > >> for Python itself. > > > >I always thought double underscores was a method for > >making attrib

Re: [Webware-discuss] Application loads twice

2002-09-09 Thread Tavis Rudd
On September 9, 2002 12:28 am, jose wrote: > Hi I was wondering if thers is a work around for the application loading > twice problem, And which problem is that? Can you provide some more details (tracebacks, error messages, etc.)? --- This

Re: [Webware-discuss] rewrite rules and psp

2002-08-27 Thread Tavis Rudd
On August 27, 2002 02:32 pm, Fionn Behrens wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:47:42 -0400 > > Geoffrey Talvola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fionn, > > > > Do regular servlets work? You said PSP files fail, and HTML files work, > > but you didn't say whether or not regular Python Servlets work. > >

Re: [Webware-discuss] newbie question

2002-08-20 Thread Tavis Rudd
Did you run the installation script before the launch script? On August 20, 2002 07:51 pm, Keith Jackson wrote: > I'm using python 2.2.1, and a CVS check out of webware from this morning. > > Ian Bicking wrote: > > What version of Python are you using? At this point, a number of Python > > 2.x t

Re: [Webware-discuss] "Context" Impaired - Need Help

2002-08-19 Thread Tavis Rudd
On August 19, 2002 03:45 pm, Matt Feifarek wrote: > | Well, most of the time we just put persistent values in module-level > | globals (remembering to do proper locking via threading.Lock, and often > | using dictionaries to organize the data). > > Can you elaborate on that threading.lock bit a li

Re: [Webware-discuss] possible bug in Application.py's use of the servlet instance cache

2002-08-10 Thread Tavis Rudd
On August 10, 2002 05:32 am, Geoff Talvola wrote: > On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 19:10, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > That sounds right, but why tie the cache size to the number of threads. > > If someone runs WebKit with large number of threads, say a hundred, it's > > possible for t

Re: [Webware-discuss] possible bug in Application.py's use of the servlet instance cache

2002-08-09 Thread Tavis Rudd
On August 9, 2002 03:37 pm, Geoff Talvola wrote: > On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 17:53, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > Shouldn't _instanceCacheSize be used? It seems possible with the current > > code for the number of instances to get out of control if there was a > > flood of simu

[Webware-discuss] possible bug in Application.py's use of the servlet instance cache

2002-08-09 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi, I was looking over the recent changes in Application.py that switched from using a Queue to a list for the servlet instance cache and noticed something odd. There doesn't seem to be any limit on the size of the cache. Line 105 reads self._instanceCacheSize = self._server.setting('MaxSer

Re: [Webware-discuss] App deployment question

2002-08-03 Thread Tavis Rudd
On August 2, 2002 03:04 pm, Michael Herstine wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question on best practices for deploying applications. Do you: > > 1. arrange things on disk to reflect the logical structure of the app > (e.g. say a directory for a page together with supporting images, > includes, .js f

Re: [Webware-discuss] Webware (Free)BSD-Port? (fwd)

2002-07-10 Thread Tavis Rudd
Stefan, how are you assigning permissions on /usr/local/Webware vs. /usr/local/webware. In the name of privilege separation, the user running webkit should only have write permissions to the locations that webkit writes to during operation and read-only permission on everything else: config fi

Re: [Webware-discuss] extraPath and relative URLs to images

2002-06-27 Thread Tavis Rudd
Jeff, there's no way around this. Browsers have no idea that the url path contains extraPath so they calculate relative paths from the url path. You have to either use absolute paths or include a tag in your html output. Tavis On June 27, 2002 12:59 pm, Jeff Johnson wrote: > I'm using extraP

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] Fixing doc strings

2002-06-20 Thread Tavis Rudd
On June 20, 2002 12:56 pm, Mike Orr wrote: > Changing emacs requires somebody who understands Lisp > and can also analyze why the algorithm is messing up, which is > intrinsically difficult because ' means different things depending on > context going all the way back to the start of the file. Th

Re: [Webware-discuss] OT: Python editor recommendation?

2002-06-20 Thread Tavis Rudd
On June 20, 2002 10:06 am, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: > On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:13 am, Mike Orr wrote: > > Indentation is the biggest reason I don't use emacs. It > > tries to be so smart that it won't let you override its opinion of > > where the line should start. But sometimes I want to put

Re: [Webware-discuss] Post-mortem debugging

2002-05-28 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 28, 2002 07:40 pm, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 21:25, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > What sort of extra info do you want? > > A representation of some sort of all the objects bound in all the frames > (more or less). cgitb does this for some select objects in ea

Re: [Webware-discuss] Post-mortem debugging

2002-05-28 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 28, 2002 07:10 pm, Ian Bicking wrote: > The tracebacks often aren't enough to figure out exactly went wrong when > there's an error -- cgitb helps a bit, but it would be nice to have more > complete information (especially in cases where errors are hard to > reproduce, which is something I'

Re: [Webware-discuss] Any simple python data -> html viewer

2002-05-28 Thread Tavis Rudd
it makes the browser scroll > horizontally for a lot of data structures. (and > it is not so easy to read.) > > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > oops, > > make that: > > > > print '' > > pprint(yourDataStructure) > > print ''

Re: [Webware-discuss] Any simple python data -> html viewer

2002-05-28 Thread Tavis Rudd
oops, make that: print '' pprint(yourDataStructure) print '' On May 28, 2002 08:45 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does it have an html 'pprint'? ___ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in La

Re: [Webware-discuss] Any simple python data -> html viewer

2002-05-28 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 28, 2002 08:45 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does it have an html 'pprint'? print '' pprint yourDataStructure print '' > On 28 May 2002, Terrel Shumway wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 11:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Is there any module the provides > > > a simple viewer of python

Re: [Webware-discuss] Documentation additions/corrections

2002-05-25 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 25, 2002 01:56 pm, Ian Bicking wrote: > I don't know if the author wishes to keep it separate, or what. It There was some discussion about this on c.l.p last year and MAL said he preferred to keep it separate for a variety reasons. ___

Re: Re[2]: [Webware-discuss] Generated class docs?

2002-05-17 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 17, 2002 08:33 am, Aaron Held wrote: > There are some minor bugs that I see, such as using a '\' for the URL path > rather then a '/', so use IE until I can rerun the docs on Linux. (And a > newer version of Webkit) You can convert the backslashes fairly easily using a tool that comes with

Re: [Webware-discuss] starting webware at boot

2002-05-16 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 16, 2002 09:50 am, Rolf Hanson wrote: > I'll probably use Bill's suggestion until I can figure out a script for > restarting webware via daemontools. (already using daemontools to > control qmail) > > On a related note, is there a way to set up daemontools to send a > notification when a da

Re: [Webware-discuss] file handling servlet

2002-05-16 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 15, 2002 09:53 pm, Bill Eldridge wrote: > Tavis Rudd wrote: > > On May 15, 2002 02:17 pm, Bill Eldridge wrote: > > > Sam Brauer wrote: > > > > Writing a plugin is a possibility. > > > > Like you say, the big drawback I see to this is the e

Re: [Webware-discuss] file handling servlet

2002-05-15 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 15, 2002 02:17 pm, Bill Eldridge wrote: > Sam Brauer wrote: > > Writing a plugin is a possibility. > > Like you say, the big drawback I see to this is the extra work involved > > learning how to implement a plugin. > > Hacking an existing plugin should be easier > than "learning how to impl

Re: [Webware-discuss] serving binary files from Webware

2002-05-14 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 14, 2002 03:14 pm, Luke Opperman wrote: > Not sure if this is what Bob's question was, but I have a > question different from your answers so far, that might > also be his question: > > Assuming I have a python function that dynamically > generates a file (PDF using reportlab's library perh

Re: [Webware-discuss] serving binary files from Webware

2002-05-14 Thread Tavis Rudd
Just put them inside a context directory and WebKit will take care of the rest, provided it can determine the correct mime-type from the filename extension. Tavis On May 14, 2002 02:44 pm, Bobby Kuzma wrote: > how should I go about serving, for example, a jpeg dynamically from > webware? > > Bo

Re: [Webware-discuss] configuring Apache programmatically?

2002-05-10 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 10, 2002 01:00 pm, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 15:12, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > what tools allow programmatic configuration of Apache? mod_perl and > > templated versions of httpd.conf are all that I'm aware of. > > Webmin and some other configurators

[Webware-discuss] configuring Apache programmatically?

2002-05-10 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi, what tools allow programmatic configuration of Apache? mod_perl and templated versions of httpd.conf are all that I'm aware of. Tavis ___ Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We supply the hardware. Yo

Re: [Webware-discuss] Restarting AppServer automatically

2002-05-07 Thread Tavis Rudd
There's also WebKit's Monitor.py tool. I'm not certain that it works, but the idea is to check that requests are still being processed rather than just checking to see if the process is still running. Tavis On May 7, 2002 10:18 am, Bill Eldridge wrote: > Edmund Lian wrote: > > You may want to

Re: [Webware-discuss] DB Connection Pulling

2002-05-03 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 3, 2002 07:51 am, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: > Every time you think of subclassing Application just to store > application wide resources, you could just as easily (or more easily) > get along with a module for this purpose and put the objects in module > level variables. > > This might also l

Re: [Webware-discuss] Log traffic analyzer

2002-05-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 2, 2002 04:48 pm, Ian wrote: > livestats (www.deepmetrix.com) is pretty good. > > analog www.analog.cx is also pretty good, considering its free. Its also > really fast. > > Ian Did deepmatrix discontinue the old "statserver" line when they bought out mediahouse.com or is livestats a new

Re: [Webware-discuss] contexts

2002-05-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On May 2, 2002 09:33 am, Karl Putland wrote: > So these may sound like a dumb questions, > but I haven't quite figured it out yet. > > What is the point of contexts? Karl, the concept comes from the Java Servlet API. In Java appservers, a 'servlet context' is a collection of config settings, se

Re: [Webware-discuss] problem getting mod_webkit working

2002-04-29 Thread Tavis Rudd
Ian, these are just guesses ... If you're seeing the content of the .psp file show up in your browser, I suspect you're either working with virtual hosts and Apache is getting confused, or you haven't restarted Apache after changing httpd.conf. Can you post your httpd.conf file (or a

Re: [Webware-discuss] WebKit Error traceback pages don't close their connection?

2002-04-29 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 29, 2002 01:25 am, Bill Eldridge wrote: > You might try webdebug at: > http://www.cyberclip.com/webdebug/ > > to see what exactly are the last characters popping out. > > (It's written in Python - might be a cool thing to integrate > into Webware for enhanced debugging). That's a great

Re: tangents ... Re: [Webware-discuss] What's in a URL?

2002-04-29 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 29, 2002 06:52 am, Terrel Shumway wrote: > On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 18:56, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > The code in ServletFactory.importAsPackage() and > > ServletFactory._importModuleFromDirectory could be refactored to allow it > > to work with import hooks and remove th

tangents ... Re: [Webware-discuss] What's in a URL?

2002-04-26 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 26, 2002 06:06 pm, Terrel Shumway wrote: > http://webware.colorstudy.net/twiki/bin/view/Webware/UriMapping is for a > concrete implementation that can go into Webware RSN that can replace > the current filesystem-centric mapping strategy. Tangent 1 --- This URI topic is somewhat

Re: WebDAV (was: Re: [Webware-discuss] Groupware)

2002-04-26 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 26, 2002 03:22 pm, Kendall Clark wrote: > I use mod_rewrite heavily, but it's not terribly ideal: I agree. Pushing this stuff into WebKit allows much greater flexibility and integration. However, mod_rewrite rules and WebKit-based-URL-decoding are not mutually exclusive. Some uses o

Re: [Webware-discuss] automatically get apache to handle all psp pages?

2002-04-17 Thread Tavis Rudd
mod_webkit's psphandler directive does this. It's explained in the mod_webkit docs. However, my preferred approach would be to use mod_rewrite. See http://webware.colorstudy.net/twiki/bin/view/Webware/ModRewriteRecipes Tavis On April 17, 2002 03:43 pm, Ian wrote: > so far i've gotten it work

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: Webware domain

2002-04-17 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 17, 2002 10:24 am, Magnus Lie Hetland wrote: > Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [snip] > > > I'm not sure if "webware.cx" is any better or worse than > > "webware.sf.net". > > > > Any opinions? .cx is worse. Find a .org or stick with .sf.net > > How about changing the project

Re: [Webware-discuss] HTML->XHTML conversion

2002-04-16 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi Ian, there's a big list of conversion tools at http://www.xmlsoftware.com/convert/. Tidy (http://tidy.sourceforge.net) seems to be the standard HTML->XHTML tool. I don't know of any packaged Python tool that does this, but there's probably something in the Zope Page Templates code. Tavi

Re: Webware Monitor (Was: Re: [Webware-discuss] (no subject))

2002-04-05 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 5, 2002 11:02 am, Kendall Clark wrote: > It's that *kind* of stuff that would help make Webware seem more > attractive to the "enterprise" crowd, including ISPs. Having such a > monitoring solution would make selling Webware, as a consultant, > against the Java App Server easier, too. Not

Re: [Webware-discuss] (no subject)

2002-04-05 Thread Tavis Rudd
ell's httpsession.py and PyUnit. On April 5, 2002 12:04 pm, Tavis Rudd wrote: > Actually, I have other hopes for the monitor process as well: > - scheduled restarts > - triggered restarts on any number of user specified conditions > - memory and cpu usage profiling/throttl

Re: [Webware-discuss] (no subject)

2002-04-05 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 5, 2002 11:45 am, Tavis Rudd wrote: > On April 5, 2002 10:22 am, Ian Bicking wrote: > > OneShot.cgi is only for debugging when you are doing very active > > development (and you don't want to restart the AppServer manually all > > the time). > > One thing

Re: [Webware-discuss] (no subject)

2002-04-05 Thread Tavis Rudd
On April 5, 2002 10:22 am, Ian Bicking wrote: > OneShot.cgi is only for debugging when you are doing very active > development (and you don't want to restart the AppServer manually all > the time). One thing that's been on my pie-in-the-sky list for a while: - a separate monitor process that co

Re: [Webware-discuss] not all version numbers updated

2002-04-03 Thread Tavis Rudd
It would also make sense to have a single variable that defines the version number then update everything else from that. On April 3, 2002 03:02 pm, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: > Serge Shchetinin wrote: > > Hello people, > > > > at least '_readme' reads "Webware for Python 0.6.1b1" > > > > probably

Re: [Webware-discuss] webware debian package

2002-04-03 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Wednesday 03 April 2002 00:05, Mike Orr wrote: > In any case, the docs would usually go into > /usr/share/doc/webware/ and the examples into > /usr/share/doc/webware/examples . Python doesn't have a place for > these. Distutils sort of does, but it's a bit messy. I've just been installing t

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webwa re 1.0?

2002-04-03 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 23:50, Mike Orr wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:05:38PM -0800, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > > Any other drawbacks from anyone else? > > > > Mike, can you think of any after using it? > > What's the question? I didn't get Jay's

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webwa re 1.0?

2002-04-03 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 16:45, Jay wrote: > OK, I don't agree with everything, but I think all of those are > valid benefits of a disutils based installation. > > The drawbacks I see are that it will require more setup on the > users part. They'll have to create a config directory, cache > direct

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webwa re 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
Damn, I can't find that old email. I thought I had a fairly compelling argument;) Here's what I see as the key practical advantages: * it allows you to quickly create distribution packages in a variety of different formats: binary-tarball, src-tarball, rpm, deb, windows installer, etc. * it

Re: [Webware-discuss] Testing gotchas (was re: What's needed for Webware 1.0?)

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 13:21, Jeffrey P Shell wrote: > On 4/2/02 2:51 PM, "Tavis Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about starting with the distutils stuff? It's one part that > > should be fairly easy to isolate and apply to the official > >

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webwa re 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 12:59, Tavis Rudd wrote: > On Tuesday 02 April 2002 11:01, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: > > If we could decouple the changes from each other, and have a > > separate discussion of the merits of each proposed change, then > > phase in the new features gradu

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webware 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 12:59, Tavis Rudd wrote: > I've politely asked for cvs access several times to be > able to work on a branch, but never got any response. Actually, that's not totally correct. I never got any 'definitive response', just a sort of implied n

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webwa re 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 11:01, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: > Kendall Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:15:23PM -0500, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: > > > Actually, I don't mind if other major work goes into > > > > Webware before 1.0, > > > > > like Jay's multi-application version of WebKit or so

[Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webware 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 10:41, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: > Tavis Rudd wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote: > > > Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved > > > Webware in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things still > >

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webwa re 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 10:20, you wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Distutils is pretty much an expectation nowadays for Python > > packages. If not by 1.0, then soon after. If we combine that > > with a test suite, people will be able to install, test and > > uninstall Webware with the sta

Re: [Webware-discuss] webware debian package

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 10:28, Matt Feifarek wrote: > | Matt, > | until Webware is repackaged for distutils installation I don't > | think it makes any sense to create a .deb package. > > I agree. ... > I agree that we should shelve this issue. But we should definitely revisit this once the tran

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webware 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 09:56, Kendall Clark wrote: > >>>>> "tavis" == Tavis Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > tavis> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote: > >> Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved >

Re: [Webware-discuss] webware debian package

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
Matt, until Webware is repackaged for distutils installation I don't think it makes any sense to create a .deb package. On Tuesday 02 April 2002 09:42, you wrote: > | /usr/share/webware/ for library modules (most of Webware). > | /usr/bin/ for wrapper scripts run from the command line > | (MakeA

[Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] What's needed for Webware 1.0?

2002-04-02 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 06:55, you wrote: > Now that 0.7 is out, I think it's high time that we moved Webware > in the direction of a 1.0 release. What things still need to be > done? In order of priority: - completely automated test suite, that is easy to add new tests to - distutils support

Re: [Webware-discuss] caching framework for WebKit / Cheetah

2002-03-31 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Sunday 31 March 2002 05:56, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: > On Sunday 31 March 2002 01:46 am, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > PROBLEM > > There is no standardized way to cache output in WebKit.  As a > > result, Webware developers have to start from scratch when > > designi

[Webware-discuss] caching framework for WebKit / Cheetah

2002-03-31 Thread Tavis Rudd
Hi, I just started doing some work on Cheetah's output caching framework and decided it made more sense to approach this from a WebKit-wide perspective. Here's some rough design notes I've come up with so far. I'd appreciate any feedback. PROBLEM: There is no standardized way to cache output

Re: [Webware-discuss] SyntaxError reported in when called from imp.load_module

2002-03-27 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Wednesday 27 March 2002 10:48, Bobby Kuzma wrote: > Sorry for not including that: > Webware version: 0.6 > Python version: 2.2 > > This script is called via an application().forward command from > another script. The syntax error seems to pop up on the last line > of code in the script, before

Re: [Webware-discuss] SyntaxError reported in when called from imp.load_module

2002-03-27 Thread Tavis Rudd
what were you trying to do? what version of Webware are you using? what version of Python? On Wednesday 27 March 2002 10:16, Bobby Kuzma wrote: > Here's the traceback: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "WebKit/Application.py", line 348, in dispatchRequest > self.handleGoodURL(tran

Re: Re[2]: [Webware-discuss] Webware Performance vs mod_python publisher handler

2002-03-26 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 26 March 2002 00:44, Serge Shchetinin wrote: > Hello Tavis, > > Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 8:51:59, you wrote: > TR> One thing you have to keep in mind is that WebKit will create > one TR> instance of a servlet class per thread, unless you tell it > to do TR> otherwise (which isn't worth

Re: [Webware-discuss] Webware Performance vs mod_python publisher handler

2002-03-25 Thread Tavis Rudd
One thing you have to keep in mind is that WebKit will create one instance of a servlet class per thread, unless you tell it to do otherwise (which isn't worth the hassle). This means that each instance will have its own connection using the approach in your test code. You should use the Mis

Re: [Webware-discuss] Can Webware really Handle it ?

2002-03-21 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 14:08, Tavis Rudd wrote: > On Wednesday 20 March 2002 12:11, Ian Bicking wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 12:08, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > > This much easier and way more efficient than calculating these > > > relative paths in your Servlet code

Re: [Webware-discuss] Can Webware really Handle it ?

2002-03-20 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 12:11, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 12:08, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > This much easier and way more efficient than calculating these > > relative paths in your Servlet code. It allows you to do this: > > > > rather than this: >

Re: [Webware-discuss] 'interpreting' html pulled out of database

2002-03-20 Thread Tavis Rudd
what virtual domain it is accessed from. This approach will give you much better performance and might be easier to manage. Tavis On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Tavis Rudd wrote: > > You could use Cheetah to do the parsing/compili

Re: [Webware-discuss] 'interpreting' html pulled out of database

2002-03-20 Thread Tavis Rudd
You could use Cheetah to do the parsing/compiling of the html string. It can handle <% exec %> and <%= eval %> tags in addition to Cheetah's standard syntax. As far as I know, the official PSP that comes with Webware can't be used for this sort of thing. Jay, is there some way to do it? W

Re: [Webware-discuss] Can Webware really Handle it ?

2002-03-20 Thread Tavis Rudd
I don't have any experience with large installations like this, but here's a few strategies that could mitigate the need for a large pool of servers: ** keep the processing that actually occurs in WebKit to a minimum by serving all static requests directly from Apache / Squid. Only serve dyn

Re: [Webware-discuss] error in shutdown...

2002-03-19 Thread Tavis Rudd
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 12:22, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 15:43, Tracy S. Ruggles wrote: > > This was it. The object I was using was a wrapper around another > > one that I was using a special __getattr__ to access the methods > > of the contained object. Pickle didn't like the

Re: [Webware-discuss] multi-domain sessions

2002-03-18 Thread Tavis Rudd
Have a look at: http://www.softartisans.com/softartisans/techfour.html and http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/chriskings20001128.php3 On Monday 18 March 2002 16:57, Luke Opperman wrote: > Hello - > > Hmm. I'm wondering whether it is at all feasible to pass a > session between domains. The user s

Re: [Webware-discuss] error in shutdown...

2002-03-18 Thread Tavis Rudd
The traceback appears to say that a file object is in the session and that it can't pickle file objects. What are your trying to store? On Monday 18 March 2002 12:42, Tracy S. Ruggles wrote: > Recently, I've started to play around with using sessions to store > data about users. This may be r

Re: [Webware-discuss] RE: a patch for better email error notification

2002-03-15 Thread Tavis Rudd
Geoff, here's an updated patch for that email thing, including a config setting. Tavis ? Cans ? mod_webkit ? ExceptionHandler.diff ? email.diff ? Documentation ? appserverpid.txt ? Docs/GenIndex.css ? Native/mod_webkit.tgz ? Research/CustomImport.pyc ? Research/Reraise.pyc ? Research/TestTranspo

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