Re: [whatwg] Video

2006-10-30 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:05:10 +0600, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I aware that there are many implementations of ogg available, but >>> Windows Media Player, Quick Time and Real Player don't. >> http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ >> http://xiph.org/quicktime/ >> https://helixcommunity.

Re: [whatwg] Video

2006-10-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: On 10/30/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Places like YouTube and Google Video work around this by building their own interface using Flash, which handles multiple formats seamlessly for the user. Not exactly. Flash players only play FLV video files.

Re: [whatwg] Video

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,On 10/30/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Hickson wrote:> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:>> Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video>> and video player support?>> Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about in

Re: [whatwg] Video

2006-10-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video and video player support? Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing a element or some such (or maybe making browsers

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html That link doesn't work. (I get a 404.) Fixed, thanks. There seems to ge a bug WordPress that causes posts to get marked as private for some unknown reason. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:01:47 +0600, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Embed doesn't provide a fallback mechanism, and mixing parameters to the >> plugin, and attributes can be error prone, depending on the plugin, >> while object makes use of param. > Sure but, everyone uses , and doesn'

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Lachlan,On 10/30/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Hickson wrote:> Joe Clark wrote:>> http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/FYI, my response to that his here. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-htmlThat link doesn't work.  (I get a 404.)See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeau

Re: [whatwg] The Module Tag

2006-10-30 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:04:40 +0600, Douglas Crockford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been looking at the mashup problem. All scripts run with the authority > of the base page, so mashups are not indicated for any application containing > private data or managing a private connection. That is

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ FYI, my response to that his here. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html * Allow multiple uses of the same id/label in a form and suddenly it becomes possible to mark up multiple-choice questionnaires a

Re: [whatwg] Video (Was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,On 10/30/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello,On 10/30/06, Ian Hickson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:>> Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video> and video player support?Sure. FWIW, ther

Re: [whatwg] Video (Was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,On 10/30/06, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:>> Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video> and video player support?Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing a element o

Re: [whatwg] Allow as a child of

2006-10-30 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > FWIW, apparently I'm not the only one who thinks that having as > child of is intuitive. Sure, it would be great. I've nothing against the idea in principle. I just don't see how to execute it. For backwards compatibility reasons we can't change wh

Re: [whatwg] Video (Was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-10-30 Thread Shadow2531
On 10/30/06, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: > > Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video > and video player support? Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing a element or

Re: [whatwg] Allow as a child of

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Simon Pieters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This also happens to be backwards compatible with legacy UA's. > > > > Check the DOM for that markup. "Backwards compatible" is not the words > > I would use... > > FWIW, apparentl

Re: [whatwg] forms-lite testbed

2006-10-30 Thread Matthew Raymond
Lachlan Hunt wrote: > Actually, conditionally required fields would be a very nice addition. > I built this site earlier this year, which has conditionally required > fields. > > https://www.edentiti.com/create/details.jsf > > See the Postal Address section. It's required unless it's the same

Re: [whatwg] Video (Was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-10-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Oct 30, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video and video player support? Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing a element or

Re: [whatwg] Allow as a child of

2006-10-30 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, I'll push a bit further on this issue. :-) From: Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > While that is true with the constraints of HTML4, we could allow forms to be > direct children of in HTML5. > > > > > > > > > This also happens to be backwards compatible with legacy UA'

[whatwg] The Module Tag

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Crockford
I have been looking at the mashup problem. All scripts run with the authority of the base page, so mashups are not indicated for any application containing private data or managing a private connection. That is extremely limiting. Even worse, it turns out that rich media ads are mashups. I had

Re: [whatwg] Custom elements and attributes

2006-10-30 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
On 23 Oct 2006, at 12:43PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > Using custom schemas with the HTML parser is for experts only > and produces very wrong results unless the schema is suitable. Indeed so, but then any tool can potentially be misused. Still, I do realise that this is not a priority, of course. >

[whatwg] Video (Was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: > > Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video > and video player support? Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing a element or some such (or maybe making browsers natively suppor

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Joe Clark wrote: > http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ > > This is a classic problem in HTML development: The people doing the work > are geeks with computer-science interests who do not understand, for > example, newspapers, or screenplays, or, really, print publishing in > gener

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,On 10/30/06, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Joe,Joe Clark wrote:> http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/[...] > This is a classic problem in HTML development: The people doing the work> are geeks with computer-science interests who do not understand, for> example, newspapers,

Re: [whatwg] Lack of standard for digital signatures [was Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5]

2006-10-30 Thread Anders Rundgren
>> >The use of proprietary mechanisms (mostly ActiveX controls) for >> >digital signatures is common in Korean sites as well, including >> >Korean government sites. >> That's right. They sure are proprietary; I was not even able to get >> the Korean e-goverment signature spec since it is "secret"!

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Joao Eiras wrote: > > > > > > Browsers will continue to suport embed, but the recomendations > > > shouldn't. > > > > Why not? > > Embed doesn't provide a fallback mechanism, and mixing parameters to the > plugin, and attributes can be error prone, depending on the plugin,

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Joao Eiras
Na , Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Joao Eiras wrote: Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > > * Make embed legal. Give it up, people: object doesn't work and never > > will. > HTML5 will make legal. Object works pretty fine. embed is duplicate

Re: [whatwg] Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: > > > > Due in no small part to WHAT WG�s leadership by a strict standardista > > Well, the leadership applies different kind of strictness to the > tokenizer/DOM level and to semantics. Personally, I'd like the > tokenizer/DOM part to be a tad stricter

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Joao Eiras wrote: > > Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > > > > * Make embed legal. Give it up, people: object doesn't work and never > > > will. > > HTML5 will make legal. > > Object works pretty fine. embed is duplicated functionality, not as flexible > and

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Joao Eiras
Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: * Make embed legal. Give it up, people: object doesn't work and never will. HTML5 will make legal. Object works pretty fine. embed is duplicated functionality, not as flexible and accessible as object. Browsers will continue to suport embed

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
Hey Joe, Joe Clark wrote: > http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ Note that in general I would encourage you to post your suggestions straight to the WHATWG list, as it is not guarenteed that I will always see your blog posts (though in this case, at least three separate systems and peop

Re: [whatwg] Lack of standard for digital signatures [was Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5]

2006-10-30 Thread Channy Yun
On 10/30/06, Anders Rundgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Michael(tm) Smith" wrote: >> It is equally interesting that W3C intends to start a new browser >> authentication WG but have excluded digital signatures and key >> provisioning from the charter in spite of the fact that about 10M >> people

Re: [whatwg] Tim BL's HTML WG announcement and WHAT WG

2006-10-30 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:56:19 +1000, Henri Sivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 29, 2006, at 19:16, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: So what comes out will probably be a (perhaps evolved) version of WHATWG stuff, as has been the case in some other W3C groups already. That would be excellen

Re: [whatwg] Tim BL's HTML WG announcement and WHAT WG

2006-10-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:04:46 +0100, J. King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There was at least one major issue in WF2 that came out from actually *implementing*. What was the problem? Specific problems included the maxlength="" attribute (which is now changed in the specification) and the new

Re: [whatwg] Tim BL's HTML WG announcement and WHAT WG

2006-10-30 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Oct 29, 2006, at 19:16, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: So what comes out will probably be a (perhaps evolved) version of WHATWG stuff, as has been the case in some other W3C groups already. That would be excellent. Perhaps I was overly worried, because I couldn't tell from the announceme

Re: [whatwg] Tim BL's HTML WG announcement and WHAT WG

2006-10-30 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Oct 30, 2006, at 01:32, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote: Henri Sivonen wrote: Does the W3C now accept that HTML is not in practice an application of SGML? Why do you believe this to be important, Henri ? HTML was not an application of SGML to begin with. It was inspired by SGML a

Re: [whatwg] Tim BL's HTML WG announcement and WHAT WG

2006-10-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:04:04 +0100, Karl Dubost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Though IMHO, layout engines are just one part of it. As I said above parsing libraries, indexing bots, authoring tools are as MUCH important, specifically if we want to stop the generation of tag soup. It's not about