Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Henri Sivonen wrote: > Search engines should not list ill-formed application/xhtml+xml at > all, because a user following the link would see the YSoD. Ah, but what about XHTML 1.0 served as text/html, which is in a weird twilight zone where it is neither "HTML" nor quite the same as "text/html

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Dec 19, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Aankhen wrote: "I was gonna go to this site I found on Google, but then I saw that it was corrupted, so I figured it musta been a security issue or something." The original problem I was contesting and attempting to solve was that use

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 12:28 -0800, Aankhen wrote: > On 12/18/06, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe the other way round? "Valid [X]HTML" on valid documents? > > That seems reasonable; if it were unobtrusive, most users would just > ignore it, but it'd be there for anyone who w

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Aankhen wrote: > "I was gonna go to this site I found on Google, but then I saw that it > was corrupted, so I figured it musta been a security issue or > something." The original problem I was contesting and attempting to solve was that users would think, incorrectly, that such messages indicated

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Aankhen
On 12/18/06, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe the other way round? "Valid [X]HTML" on valid documents? That seems reasonable; if it were unobtrusive, most users would just ignore it, but it'd be there for anyone who wanted to know. -- Aankhen (We have no branches.)

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Aankhen
On 12/18/06, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would however definitely suggest better messages, since "WARNING" verges on being meaningless. Perhaps "HTML (corrupted)" and "XHTML (corrupted)" for documents that cite (or imply) a standard document type but clearly fail to conform

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:57, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: "XHTML (broken)" for non-well-formed XHTML. Search engines should not list ill-formed application/xhtml+xml at all, because a user following the link would see the YSoD. However, in cases of slightly broken text/html, the user could s

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:57:08 +0600, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Humans don't work that way. If the words "HTML (WARNING)" or "XHTML >> (WARNING)" started appearing next to over 90 percent of search results, >> people would not think that something was wrong with 90 percent

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 23:26 +1300, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Humans don't work that way. If the words "HTML (WARNING)" or "XHTML > (WARNING)" started appearing next to over 90 percent of search results, > people would not think that something was wrong with 90 percent of Web > pages. They wo

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Dec 5, 2006, at 12:14 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote: ... [proposal for search engines to denote pages that don't validate as "HTML (WARNING)" or "XHTML (WARNING)"] I have huge doubts that this would pass even elementary usability testing, because most users would just say "I don't care". But