Re: [whatwg] Comparison of XForms-Tiny and WF2

2007-01-23 Thread Matthew Raymond
Klotz, Leigh wrote: > That's reassuring. So let's all take a look at Dave's proposals in that > light -- an HTML enhancement that maps more directly onto the concepts > that have been in the XForms Rec since 2003. And yet I still haven't heard anyone explain to me why WF2 or a successor thereo

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 23, 2007, at 23:48, liorean wrote: If the DTD allows it on all elements, There's no DTD. you can put xml:space="preserve" on all elements in the document that need it for the tools that don't use the external subset or namespace recognition The start of this thread was about getting

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread liorean
On 1/23/07, Henri Sivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 23, 2007, at 17:45, liorean wrote: > Well, considering the purpose of XHTML (main purpose is presentation > for humans, no?) is there any reason to NOT just set it to default to > "preserve" on the html element, fixed to "preserve" on th

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 23, 2007, at 23:15, Martin Atkins wrote: Presumably its primary purpose is to act as a signal to generic XML tools — that don't have any special knowledge about XHTML — that they should not screw around with the whitespace inside PRE, etc. Exactly. On Jan 23, 2007, at 17:45, liorean

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread Martin Atkins
Anne van Kesteren wrote: xml:space can't affect the tree being formed as far as I know. It's not entirely clear to me what its use is anyway, except in SVG, where they defined it in a funny way to make it do something. Presumably its primary purpose is to act as a signal to generic XML to

Re: [whatwg] Comparison of XForms-Tiny and WF2

2007-01-23 Thread Klotz, Leigh
Anne, That's reassuring. So let's all take a look at Dave's proposals in that light -- an HTML enhancement that maps more directly onto the concepts that have been in the XForms Rec since 2003. Leigh. -Original Message- From: Anne van Kesteren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, Ja

Re: [whatwg] Comparison of XForms-Tiny and WF2

2007-01-23 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:51:55 -0500, Klotz, Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or what makes you want to cannibalize an existing W3C Recommendation which predates the formation of WHAT-WG? I don't think most people in the WHATWG see it as a XForms versus Web Forms 2 "match" or something. I don'

Re: [whatwg] Comparison of XForms-Tiny and WF2

2007-01-23 Thread Klotz, Leigh
Or what makes you want to cannibalize an existing W3C Recommendation which predates the formation of WHAT-WG? > Explain to me why Web Forms 2.0 shouldn't be "incorporating more of the great ideas" in XForms-Tiny rather than the other way around. Why is your approach to cannibalize an existing W3C

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread liorean
On 1/23/07, Anne van Kesteren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: xml:space can't affect the tree being formed as far as I know. It's not entirely clear to me what its use is anyway, except in SVG, where they defined it in a funny way to make it do something. Hmm, reading the relevant part of the XML1.0

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:45:15 -0500, liorean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, considering the purpose of XHTML (main purpose is presentation for humans, no?) is there any reason to NOT just set it to default to "preserve" on the html element, fixed to "preserve" on the script, style, pre and texta

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread liorean
On 1/23/07, Henri Sivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 23:57, Ian Hickson wrote: > It's automatically conforming everywhere, no? Isn't it an XML thing? It is an XML thing. XML 1.0 4th ed. says: > A special attribute named xml:space may be attached to an element > to signal an in

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-23 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 22, 2007, at 23:57, Ian Hickson wrote: It's automatically conforming everywhere, no? Isn't it an XML thing? It is an XML thing. XML 1.0 4th ed. says: A special attribute named xml:space may be attached to an element to signal an intention that in that element, white space should be