[whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Keryx Web wrote on 26/03/08 08:44: ... This is from Thomas Thomassen on WSG's list: As I was working on this I wanted to mark up a list where items had been added and removed. That's when I realised that you can't wrap up li dt or dd in del or ins elements because ul, ol and

Re: [whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Glazman
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: I don't know what use this observation is. Maybe it means ins, del, and mark shouldn't be HTML elements, but should be something else instead. Excellent post. I have to add that from a Wysisyg editor's perspective, and I said it many times in the past, ins and del

Re: [whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Nicholas Shanks
On 2 Apr 2008, at 12:43 pm, Daniel Glazman wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: I don't know what use this observation is. Maybe it means ins, del, and mark shouldn't be HTML elements, but should be something else instead. Excellent post. I concur. Excellent summary of how these elements

Re: [whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Glazman
Nicholas Shanks wrote: The only way I can see to have these in a well-formed DOM is by using empty elements for both the start and end. p…ins-start/…/pp…ins-end/…/p Right. Coming from the SGML world, that's called paired elements and they're usually linked through id and idref. That's how a

Re: [whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
I agree, very insightful post, MPT. You cut to the true issues quicker than we were doing earlier. ^_^ Nicholas Shanks, you may well be right. ins/del/mark (idm) are a form of embedded metadata, but how would we extract such out of the html flow? This isn't metadata about the document, after

Re: [whatwg] Video

2008-04-02 Thread Nicholas Shanks
On 2 Apr 2008, at 4:53 pm, Krzysztof Żelechowski wrote: Dnia 01-04-2008, Wt o godzinie 23:38 +0100, David Gerard pisze: The actual solution is a large amount of compelling content in Theora or similar. Wikimedia is working on this, though we're presently hampered by a severe lack of money

Re: [whatwg] INS and DEL in lists

2008-04-02 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 28-03-2008, Pt o godzinie 13:29 -0500, Tab Atkins Jr. pisze: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia 28-03-2008, Pt o godzinie 09:12 -0500, Tab Atkins Jr. pisze: And the original problem can

[whatwg] Video

2008-04-02 Thread Robert J Crisler
I wrote: From my perspective, and for what it's worth, I doubt that the ideals of the W3C as expressed in 3.12.7.1 http://3.12.7.1 would result in a situation that would be superior to simply letting the international standards body for audio and video codecs deal with these technological

Re: [whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Glazman
Nicholas Shanks wrote: Hi Daniel. You've obviously had these issues on your mind a long time. Oh, 16 years only... :-) What is the benefit of the @start attribute on the ending tag? Shouldn't the @end attribute be sufficient. I fear that if you let HTML authors loose with something like

Re: [whatwg] Video

2008-04-02 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 2 Apr 2008, at 16:55, Robert J Crisler wrote: It will be very, very difficult to develop critical mass for content encoded in Theora (or Dirac), much less ubiquity. I'm not saying there's no point in trying. I applaud the effort, though I have misgivings about the W3C setting itself up

Re: [whatwg] Video

2008-04-02 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 02-04-2008, Śr o godzinie 10:55 -0500, Robert J Crisler pisze: Why should the W3C choose not create a better situation than the current one (which is a mess for developers and a mess for users), while continuing to work on the ideal? With all due respect: the mission of the WWW