Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Jim Jewett wrote: uhm... that is exactly when involuntary actions are *most* likely. It's not about merely clicking something accidentally - it's about clicking at a very specific place, as intended by the attacker, to trigger a very specific functionality on a targeted

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Jim Jewett wrote: Yet opt-in proposals expect content authors to immediately add security checks everywhere, which is considerably less realistic than having a handful of webpages adjust their behavior, if we indeed break it (which I don't think would be likely with the

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Michal Zalewski wrote: If you have faith that all these places can be patched up because we tell them so, and that these who want to would be able to do so consistently and reliably - look at the current history of XSRF and XSS vulnerabilities. ...and consequently, the

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Robert O'Callahan wrote: I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I'm specifically NOT talking about Content-Restrictions or Site-Security-Policies or any other policies for controlling what a page may do once it has loaded. I'm expressing approval for your option 1,

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Michal Zalewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: other browsers are getting cross-domain XMLHttpRequest headers Using the W3C Access Controls spec, which I am suggesting to reuse here. If you're not familiar with that spec, it's here:

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Robert O'Callahan wrote: There is no way in the world that Microsoft would implement your option 3 in a security update to IE6. Sure, I'm not implying this. I simply have doubts about any other major security changes making it into MSIE8 or Firefox 3. Cheers, /mz

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Křištof Želechovski
MSIE7 is not offered as an update for Windows XP running on Pentium II. I dared not check whether it is possible to install it nevertheless. That might explain that 20%. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michal Zalewski Sent: Sunday,

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

2008-09-28 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Michal Zalewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Robert O'Callahan wrote: There is no way in the world that Microsoft would implement your option 3 in a security update to IE6. Sure, I'm not implying this. I simply have doubts about any other