Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jul 2, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > > Any site which does that has a giant security hole, since Flash can be used > to arbitrarily script the embedding page. It's about as safe as allowing > embedding of arbitrary off-site

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:09 PM, John Harding wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > > As several people pointed out (and which I tried to get at in my post), this > > is really an ecosystem issue rather than a change needed in the spec or in > > browsers. I suspect it

Re: [whatwg] Resolutions meta tag proposal

2010-07-02 Thread André Luís
On 2 July 2010 14:28, Aral Balkan wrote: > Hi Marques, > > I'm an interaction designer/developer, not a rocket scientist. :) A > meta tag, I can easily add. If you start talking about HTTP headers, > you've lost me. > > i.e., this is meant to be a pragmatic, easy-to-author solution. I think this

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On 2010-07-02 21:01, John Harding wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Lachlan Huntwrote: Correct. Vendors can theoretically implement any codec or container they like, with any features or limitations they like. MP4 already has various DRM schemes in use... I would still, however, argue aga

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Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread John Harding
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Aryeh Gregor > wrote: > > As several people pointed out (and which I tried to get at in my post), > this > > is really an ecosystem issue rather than a change needed in the spec or > in > > browsers. I suspect it's going to take some time, but the flexibility of >

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > On 2010-07-02 13:56, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> On 02.07.2010 13:38, Anne van Kesteren wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:13:00 +0200, Shane Fagan >>> wrote: Well this isnt really a list where we should talk about the dos and >>>

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread John Harding
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > On 2010-07-02 13:56, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> On 02.07.2010 13:38, Anne van Kesteren wrote: >> >>> Whether playing video requires a plugin is very much an issue for this >>> list, I think. What Henri explained -- not having lock-in to a >>> p

Re: [whatwg] Resolutions meta tag proposal

2010-07-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Aral Balkan wrote: > I just submitted a proposal for a new meta tag to flag that > high-resolution images are available and should be loaded in place of > low-resolution ones for users with high-PPI displays (like the new > iPhone 4's Retina display). > > Please see

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 : The Youtube response

2010-07-02 Thread イアンフェッティ
Also related discussion, where I proposed something similar on WHATWG: http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg21565.html On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > > On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Kevin Carle wrote: > > One part of (2) [well, debatably part, but rel

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 : The Youtube response

2010-07-02 Thread bjartur
> On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 18:11 -0700, David Singer wrote: > > I think it's interesting to look at these and ask to what extent they are > > in scope. > > > > > 1. Standard video format > > > 2. Robust video streaming > > > 3. Content Protection > > > 4. Encapsulation + embedding > > > 5. Fullscreen

Re: [whatwg] Resolutions meta tag proposal

2010-07-02 Thread Aral Balkan
Hi Marques, I'm an interaction designer/developer, not a rocket scientist. :) A meta tag, I can easily add. If you start talking about HTTP headers, you've lost me. i.e., this is meant to be a pragmatic, easy-to-author solution. Thanks, Aral On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Marques Johansson wr

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
The idea or returning a single image for a URI that points at a video has indeed been discussed. It is not possible to do with a URI fragment, since a URI fragment (#) can only return the same mime type as the main URI. But the suggestion for this is to use a URI query. Then, it is possible to retu

Re: [whatwg] Resolutions meta tag proposal

2010-07-02 Thread Marques Johansson
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Aral Balkan wrote: > ... > http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions#Proposals "In this case, the developer would provide 2x, 4x, and 8x versions of all images. So, in the running example, she would make flower.jpg, flo...@2x.jpg, flo...@4x.jpg, and" And what if

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On 2010-07-02 13:56, Julian Reschke wrote: On 02.07.2010 13:38, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:13:00 +0200, Shane Fagan wrote: Well this isnt really a list where we should talk about the dos and donts of web content distribution. DRM content can be embedded in the video tag an

[whatwg] Resolutions meta tag proposal

2010-07-02 Thread Aral Balkan
I just submitted a proposal for a new meta tag to flag that high-resolution images are available and should be loaded in place of low-resolution ones for users with high-PPI displays (like the new iPhone 4's Retina display). Please see: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions#Proposals (Curre

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Marques Johansson
If there were hooks for handling the bytes being requested and supplied to the media object, would you agree that DRM modules could be written with Javascript (if a bit of a straw man - as all DRM is perceived to varying degrees)? I think this could prevent the need for some plugins. On Fri, Jul 2

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Shane Fagan
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 13:38 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:13:00 +0200, Shane Fagan > wrote: > > Well this isnt really a list where we should talk about the dos and > > donts of web content distribution. DRM content can be embedded in the > > video tag and decoded using

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Julian Reschke
On 02.07.2010 13:38, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:13:00 +0200, Shane Fagan wrote: Well this isnt really a list where we should talk about the dos and donts of web content distribution. DRM content can be embedded in the video tag and decoded using installable plugins so its n

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Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:13:00 +0200, Shane Fagan wrote: Well this isnt really a list where we should talk about the dos and donts of web content distribution. DRM content can be embedded in the video tag and decoded using installable plugins so its not really an issue for this list I dont think.

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Marques Johansson
If the seek method was further hookable it should be possible to add decrypt or transcode methods to interpret the fetched content, possibly requesting more data to the filter stream bucket, before apending the bytes of media. On Jul 2, 2010 6:10 AM, "Marques Johansson" wrote: On Thu, Jul 1, 20

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Marques Johansson
A point in time, if it relates to an I-frame, is very small set and it represents an image. It would be interesting to have or animated images in the sense of: I think the earlier post was looking to display video thumbnails using this sort of fragment notation. If the video wasn't being play

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Shane Fagan
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 02:37 -0700, Henri Sivonen wrote: > "John Harding" wrote: > > > Rather than ask browsers to get into the DRM > > business, > > what I think would work best is having a means for 3rd party DRM > > providers > > to supply browser plug-ins which implement the tag for > > prote

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Marques Johansson
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:59 PM, John Harding wrote: > 2. Robust Video Streaming > Andy Berkheimer on our team has been putting some thought into this, so I'll > defer to him for more specific proposals.  For an app like YouTube, it is > extremely useful to have fine-grained control over how the br

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
"John Harding" wrote: > Rather than ask browsers to get into the DRM > business, > what I think would work best is having a means for 3rd party DRM > providers > to supply browser plug-ins which implement the tag for > protected > content - not all that different than selecting a pluggable codec

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > Actually, a point in time is nothing - it's an empty set. You never > want to actually point to a point in time, but rather to either the > point in time and an interval after that point in time, or everything > from that point onwards. That

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Actually, a point in time is nothing - it's an empty set. You never want to actually point to a point in time, but rather to either the point in time and an interval after that point in time, or everything from that point onwards. That's what these URIs represent. Cheers, Silvia. On Fri, Jul 2, 2

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 : The Youtube response

2010-07-02 Thread Jeroen Wijering
Hello, The Flash player exposes a string of metrics: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AS3LCR/Flash_10.0/flash/net/NetStreamInfo.html The most useful ones are: *) droppedFrames: it can be used to determine whether the client can play the video without stuttering. *) maxBytesPerSecond: it can be used