Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/7/10 5:43 PM, Aaron Boodman wrote: I hear this every so often. Do we really need the spec to double as a browser stress test? I mean, there are actual test suites nowadays. I just want to read the spec. I'll just note that part of the reason it's a "stress test", apart from the old Firefo

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/7/10 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes in Firefox. May I recommend trying out Firefox 4 beta 1? ;) -Boris

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Aaron Boodman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >>> This is about the  fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >>> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Garrett Smith
On 7/7/10, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith > wrote: >> This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec >> please remove that? >> >> >> The problem is that that whatwg pa

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> This is about the  fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in >> charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec >> please remove that? >> >> >> The problem is

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > This is about the  fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in > charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec > please remove that? > > > The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes in Firefox. i

[whatwg] HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - Mozilla Firefox (Not Responding)

2010-07-07 Thread Garrett Smith
This is about the fourth time I've said it here. Can the person in charge of writing the slow and buggy ajvascript on the HTML 5 spec please remove that? The problem is that that whatwg page causes freezes and crashes in Firefox. i When it doesn't throw errors, it freezes Firefox. This is is u

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-07 Thread John Harding
Ok - sounds like pretty much unanimous objection to the idea of DRM plugins being instantiated via tag. I'll still be pushing on the DRM plugin providers to implement an interface that mimics the tag - my primary goal is to be able to have a single player implementation independent of whether or

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-07 Thread John Harding
MySpace is my canonical example - they allow arbitrary SWFs to be embedded in profiles, but not s. Flash added support a while back that allows containing pages to block SWFs from executing script or accessing the contents of the page, which MySpace enforces by rewriting the tag that users post.

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Marques Johansson wrote: > I tested cutting off the HTTP connection and browsers didn't handle this. You mean they didn't stop playing the video and trigger an error event that JavaScript can handle? What did they do? > and found that browsers do not attempt to r

Re: [whatwg] Iframe dimensions

2010-07-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > Could you explicitly call the _self target in links in the frame? I wasn't > sure if the target attribute was going or not, but I'd expect target="_self" > to override the default seamless action. It doesn't. The iframe is considered par

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-07 Thread Marques Johansson
> > Yes, the browser disconnects, and scripts have no influence over it. With > preload="metadata" implemented, it should disconnect as soon as possible > after getting enough data for the first frame. For preload="auto", it will > disconnect after buffering X seconds of data. If you need more gran

Re: [whatwg] Firefox 4 Beta 1

2010-07-07 Thread narendra sisodiya
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Schalk Neethling wrote: > Hi there everyone > I loved this firefox release (4 beta) very much because it support SVG animations. Tons of Thanks.. -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘

Re: [whatwg] Firefox 4 Beta 1

2010-07-07 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 7/7/10 4:43 AM, Schalk Neethling wrote: >> >> Ah, ok. I see but then I wonder what the problem is with regards to >> Youtube >> and full screen as their full screen mode is fully user driven. > > The problem is that Youtube disables the bro

Re: [whatwg] Firefox 4 Beta 1

2010-07-07 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/7/10 4:43 AM, Schalk Neethling wrote: Ah, ok. I see but then I wonder what the problem is with regards to Youtube and full screen as their full screen mode is fully user driven. The problem is that Youtube disables the browser context menu for the video (for various reasons) and that from

Re: [whatwg] Cross-origin opt-in for seamless iframes [was: Iframe dimensions]

2010-07-07 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:36:30 +0200, Markus Ernst wrote: I tried to read about CORS, but did not understand the whole of it. Can CORS be set up via server-side scripting, with PHP or whatever? Then it will be an acceptable solution, and sooner or later libraries will be available for both th

[whatwg] Cross-origin opt-in for seamless iframes [was: Iframe dimensions]

2010-07-07 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 06.07.2010 12:31 schrieb Aryeh Gregor: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Markus Ernst wrote: Thank you and Boris for your examples. I see the security issues. Anyway It would be very helpful in cases like mine, where security and privacy are not affected, to get an easy way to do this opt-in w

Re: [whatwg] Iframe dimensions

2010-07-07 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 06.07.2010 22:41 schrieb Ashley Sheridan: On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 16:17 -0400, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Markus Ernst mailto:derer...@gmx.ch>> wrote: > My problem is this sentence in the spec for seamless: "This will cause links > to open in the parent browsing context

Re: [whatwg] Firefox 4 Beta 1

2010-07-07 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
The problem is that YouTube's fullscreen button doesn't actually make the video full screen, so it doesn't take advantage of the hardware accelerated fullscreen video in Firefox 4. There's no generic API for allowing web pages to create skinned HTML 5 players with a "click to fullscreen" button. O

Re: [whatwg] Firefox 4 Beta 1

2010-07-07 Thread Schalk Neethling
Ah, ok. I see but then I wonder what the problem is with regards to Youtube and full screen as their full screen mode is fully user driven. -Original Message- From: Adam Barth [mailto:w...@adambarth.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:22 PM To: Schalk Neethling Cc: whatwg Subject: Re: [

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-07 Thread Schalk Neethling
Could not agree more Anne -Original Message- From: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Anne van Kesteren Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:38 PM To: Henri Sivonen; Shane Fagan Cc: Andy Berkheimer; John Harding; wha...@whatwg.org Subject: Re: [

Re: [whatwg] Firefox 4 Beta 1

2010-07-07 Thread Adam Barth
I'm sure they keep using HTML5 video in full screen. The issues around full screen relate to letting the page trigger full screen. It's fine for the user to trigger it directly. Adam On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Schalk Neethling wrote: > Hi there everyone, > > > > Downloaded and installed t

[whatwg] Firefox 4 Beta 1

2010-07-07 Thread Schalk Neethling
Hi there everyone, Downloaded and installed the first beta of Firefox 4. To the folks at Mozilla that is on here, what an awesome job. Love the new look and it IS very fast. The reason I mention Firefox 4 is because, on the welcome screen you get after installing the browser, you have the optio

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-07 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:42:22 +0200, Marques Johansson wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:24:45 +0200, Marques Johansson < marq...@displague.com> wrote: Some UAs request video without sending "Range: bytes 0-". The server has no way

Re: [whatwg] More YouTube response

2010-07-07 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:19:42 +0200, Marques Johansson wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Marques Johansson wrote: > The benefit to the user is that they could have less open network > connections while streaming video from server