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Disrespect of fellow members of the list is unacceptable.
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> having their say.
>
Indeed not! I should hope nobody would feel that way. The WHATWG is a venue
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> security of the users first.
>
There's already plenty too many working groups working on HTML as it is...
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s about how things work here in our
FAQ: https://whatwg.org/faq
HTH.
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gt; are more easily tracked by other projects. (I know several browser
> > and latex-to-xxx projects are using that in one way or another.)
> >
> > The sources are at
> >
> > https://github.com/w3c/xml-entities
Thanks for the heads-up,
all
> >work.
>
> Are you commenting that it is not a bad proposal in principle, given
> extra detail, or that it is not a proposal that can be assessed at all
> with the current level of detail?
More the latter. I do think the work involved wou
hat points to a resource that requires HTTP
authentication? Is each cue a separate Document? What happens to media
queries in a cue?
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anything that doesn't directly relate to technical changes to a WHATWG
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eature is likely to be removed. This is just
a statement of fact, reflecting intents stated by browser vendors. It's
not a value judgement and it's not a technical or normative change.
If you would like to discuss a technical change to the WHATWG HTML spec,
then that would definitely be someth
x27;t be
supported by legacy UAs or legacy servers), so it would be no different
than introducing an entirely new feature that didn't suffer from all the
other problems that suffers from.
This is somewhat academic, though. When there are no browser vendors
supporting a particular feature,
ple to follow such a pattern, but when they
don't, we can't just ignore reality.
I encourage you to read our FAQ. The WHATWG has a much more pragmatic
approach than other standards organisations you may be more familiar with.
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should expect.
It's worth noting that is a pretty terrible API. I recommend
approaching the groups writing new cryptography APIs, explaining your use
cases, and making sure they are supported in up-and-coming, more widely
supported, more secure, and more well-thought-out A
those of you
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It's definitely intentional that EventSource not introduce any new
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Niels Keurentjes wrote:
>
> I ran into a discussion on Stack Overflow in this topic:
> http://stackoverflow.com/q/30952737/1729885, regarding embedding the
> following code snippet in an HTML document:
>
> alert(1)
>
> The chara
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > I'd strongly recommend against adding new methods. It'll mean we now
> > have two different ways to do the same thing, which means more bugs,
> > which me
nd should include brief parentheticals for any
usage notes, linked to the relevant specification for more discussion
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g seems reasonable again.
Are there other vendors interested in implementing this?
If not, I recommend that Chrome implement this as the fourth argument with
a dictionary with a boolean that implies that the author will perform the
scroll position restoration
consistent manner should be
specified in the relevant specification (this might require changes to
that specification)
- values that are widly used inconsistently should be obsoleted by the
relevant specification and marked accordingly on the relevant wiki
- the concept of namespaces fo
vant spec, not the registry.
> + Prefix structures, both in namespace definition rel="schema.DCTERMS/DC"> and in properties should
> be capitalised both in existing properties and in those defined in this
> message (I wrote them lowercase for the sake of uniformity).
he https://html5.validator.nu/ validator. Should I ignore the
> error I receive?
I recommend using the validator.nu service rather than the W3C one.
They're basically the same but the validator.nu one is closer to the
WHATWG spec's requirements than the W3C one.
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#x27;ll see that
avoiding abusing localStorage was in fact the original motivation for this
API. :-)
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22628
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I question that judgement.
> Since you raised specific concerns about performance, Microsoft, who
> already implements this, went through their bug database to check:
> “there is not a single bug filed against IE regarding performance issues
> by tying the the label to t
t here and how possible it is to
evaneglise them.
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thinking it's special. If it's actually intended to be a true reference
implementation, then that's interesting; is this intended to replace the
spec in due course?
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purely on the
client side. Obviously that depends on how sophisticated the app is. If
it's a game with crazy visuals, there's comparatively more client-side
code. Similarly, if you have a rich-text editor with offline capabilities,
there's obviously much more client-side c
x27;s very lengthy and ugly so I'm more than happy
> to entertain alternatives.
Personally the way I build apps these days is to just serve static files
over HTTP, and do all the dynamic stuff over WebSocket, which would
sidestep all these issues.
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people copy and paste URLs from the location bar while the
page is up. You could replaceState() during page load, but I would
generally much more recommend sessionStorage for this purpose.
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> Non-conforming (does not match the "outer" production before "comment-open" /
> after "comment-close" / or both):
>
> <script type="text/plain"><!-- a -->
>
>
> <!-- a -->
>
> <!-- a -->
>
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Peter Kasting wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > >
> > > - telling UA that it should retry the search because content has
> > > been changed/rendered/modified
> > >
> > > The last is importa
ant because for web application which dynamically
> render the content, after search has already find matches on the page,
> if content is changed, browsers do not retry the search. This is the
> most evident with browsers which allow "highlight all" feature, like
> Google Chr
resource
locally ("save", using ), then upload it to the new site
("open", using )?
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> 2014-01-22 2:28, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the clarifications. I may have been stuck to an idea
> > > of a submittable element, possibly adopted
omises):
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25472#c18
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On Tue, 13 May 2014, Eduardo Vela wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 May 2014, Eduardo' Vela\" wrote:
> > >
> > > What about X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff?
> > >
> > > Could we formalize it and remove the X and disable sniffing all
> > > together?
> >
> > Do you mean for manifests specifically, or more gene
d changes the number of
> types of administrative divisions it has, I guess it's reasonable to
> redefine "level4" to the former "level3", and add a new "level5" which
> is the former "level4".
Maybe. This could cause quite the mess.
I guess we'll handle this in due course on a case-by-case basis. It's hard
to see how we could predict all the various ways this might change.
In the end (as part of the related bug) I did spec the four level values.
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/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26839
This will actually help substantially with resolving this issue also:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26636
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not sufficient for
> the more general case of content-types not covered by dedicated
> elements.
needs="" is actually very little more than syntactic sugar over ES6 module
loader primitives, assuming that we can get the ES6 module loader to be
augmented to address the needs o
loadsettings="..." media="...">
> The combination of all of the above allows me to fetch any content-type,
> specify custom priorities and headers (or use a default set via 'as'),
> apply MQ's, etc. Given all that, assuming I can extract a Pr
think the author and UA
requirements are tightly related, however (e.g. the ARIA spec term
"strong semantics" implies both), so I don't think it makes sense to move
one and not the other. I'm happy to work with anyone who is interested in
doing this work if there is anythi
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Yoav Weiss wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 2:44 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >load-settings=""A JSON-encoded dictionary to pass to the Request
> >constructor.
>
> I'm not a big fan of JS
).
I've tweaked the wording a bit to try to make this clearer. In particular
I've made the terminology less ambiguous.
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; [Use-case W:] some developers have even requested to be able to stop the
> chain and prevent further executions if the script loads, but there's
> some compile-time syntax error or run-time error that happens during the
> execution. For them, it's not enough for B to simply f
> just lie about currentTime until playback continues, though.
Note that setting currentTime is required to be precise, even if that
means actually playing the content in silence for a while to get to the
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one of that
> is currently spec'ed, which is the gap I'm trying to fill.
I totally agree that more detailed specs for rel=prerender,
rel=preconnect, and rel=prefetch/preload/subresource would be useful. I
may end up speccing the latter, but what I'm doing doesn&
e whether
it's worth doing, and if so, whether this proposal does it.
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, Ilya Grigorik wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >
> > I hope to be able to post more concrete proposals soon, it's currently
> > blocked on my understanding how I should be integrating HTML with ES6.
>
> Any bugs
tely subsume the
> > resource hints proposal.
>
> Hmm, not entirely.. I think. At a minimum, we still have preconnect and
> speculative preload + prerender cases to consider.
Do you mean the case of fetching a file before you've loaded the base HTML
file, as in loading a la
f this. You can
see my current results here:
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These are not mutually exclusive.
I would avoid adding the non-API sugar versions (content attributes,
especially the dedicated ones) for anything that didn't have significant
compelling use cases.
Note that "Accept" _should_ probably be set by the UA for images
justify it, rather than require consumers
to set these settings from script.
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >>>var mystyle = E('link', { rel:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > Why not:
> >
> >var mystyle = E('link', { rel: 'stylesheet', href: 'my.css', whenneeded:
> > true });
> >documen
eholder. I don't expect to actually go with
that. I just used it because it's what I had proposed the last time this
came up.)
That seems like it'd be no more complicated, but would involve less new
API surface (not to mention fewer new ways to shoot yourself in the foot,
e.g
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Ben Maurer wrote:
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> (1) Allowing the user to specify parameters to Fetch. For example, a user
> could say:
>
>
ing a new API that literally doesn't do anything you can't already
do is a pretty high cost, IMHO.
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yone also has
launchURL(). Why is it good that we have both?
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in due course, but FWIW this appears to
be more or less identical to a proposal from Microsoft about 18 months
ago:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20799
It's still not really clear what difference this API would have to
window.open(), t
deprecated as I think we
can get it. It's just special-cased logic in the navigation algorithm.
Everywhere else, it just gets treated as an unknown URL scheme.
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easonable. Please assume that the spec is so adjusted.
(I'm in the middle of updating my pipeline, so I can't easily make any
spec edits right this second. Sorry about that, everyone. I promise I'll
be getting back to my old productive rate of response as soon as the
pipe
es (in particular, we wouldn't want IE to be forced to
extend their interpretation of "msapplication-TileColor" and
"msapplication-navbutton-color" to be redundant), but I do think it would
make sense to encourage UAs to draw colours from whichever values are
provided,
7;s also a ton of GitHub repositories you can watch:
> https://github.com/whatwg/ (some also have an associated Twitter
> account).
You can also subscribe to the spec itself to get update notifications; see
the top left of the spec at: http://whatwg.org/
esn't
take a CSS colour, it takes some specific keywords. However,
"msapplication-navbutton-color", and, maybe better,
"msapplication-TileColor", seem like pretty good fits to me. I don't
really understand why one would avoid just reusing those, either instea
and
"apple-mobile-web-app-status-bar-style". Why don't we just register and
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> >
> > Proposal: Add a |close| method to the BroadcastChannel interface
> > similar to the |close| method on MessagePort. The |close| method
> > would just neuter the instance of the channel and prevent it from
> > receiving further messages.
>
>
have a method with the same
name as a content attribute.
> multiple ways to do things (vs getAttribute)
Well sure, but isn't the IDL attribute a lot cleaner-looking?
> longer specs/IDLs/compile times.
Surely authors' needs outweigh these.
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Dan Beam wrote:
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> It'd be nice to avoid more attribute accessors (and encourage authors to
> use getAttribute() instead), but if and have them we
> should probably be consistent.
Can you elaborate on the cost of attribute accessors?
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2014, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
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> At the moment data URLs inherit the origin of the context that fetches
> them.
To be precise, the origin of data: URLs themselves is the unique origin.
It's the origin of resources that come from data: URLs that's differen
On Sat, 24 May 2014, Emanuel Allen wrote:
>
> SVG API for the canvas element, simple call svg; var ctx =
> canvas.getContext("svg");
How would this work? Can you elaborate?
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e information, e.g. help text
to show for certain fields, etc.
Honestly, though, I would recommend that we wait to see how many forms use
section-* at all before worrying about how rAc() works with them.
On Wed, 14 May 2014, Ilya Sherman wrote:
>
> It likely makes sense to remove section-* tok
.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25742
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the Web as a whole, not just
for canvas. So far, though, implementations have not been implementing the
features that have been proposed, so...:
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#dropped
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loading to WebGL textures can be more efficient.
I see that your comment was that the WebGL WG would like them specified.
Does your saying that mean that Chrome wants to implement these also? Just
having a working group want them specified doesn't help get us to multiple
implementations...
ay to prevent pages that aren't supposed to be
manifests from being treated as manifests, I think it'd be better to have
a CSP directive that disables manifests. Then you would apply it to any
resource you know you don't want cached, don't want to be treated as being
able t
ing tracked by anyone?
>
> This would be in IETF I assume? I don't know how that process works, we
> can follow up offline.
We should make sure this is indeed followed up upon.
> Before we add changes, let's figure out what's the best path forward. I
> think th
On Tue, 13 May 2014, Michal Zalewski wrote:
>
> We probably can't support a well-defined algorithm for detecting
> documents that have distinctive signatures while safely supporting
> formats that don't have them (because there is always a possibility that
> the non-structured format with user-
On Mon, 12 May 2014, Eduardo' Vela\" wrote:
> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >
> > Note that there _is_ still a content type check with appcache, it's
> > just done on the first few bytes of the file instead of on the
> > m
contenteditable="" to another spec, my
suggestion would be that the place to move it to is the HTML Editing APIs
spec, which could be renamed Web Editing APIs. There's precedent for
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are within the subpath that the manifest finds itself in. That would be an
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On Fri, 9 May 2014, Ian Hickson wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Justin Novosad wrote:
> >
> > To help us iterate further, I've attempted to capture the essence of
> > this thread on the whatwg wiki, using the problem solving template. I
> > tried to capture the mai
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Justin Novosad wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Ashley Gullen wrote:
> > >
> > > Some developers are starting to design large scale games using our
> > > HTML5 game engine, and we
> nice to be able to avoid the JS red tape associated with chaining two
> async events (image onload -> createImageBitmap).
The limitation is mostly just for simplicity in defining and implementing
the API. I agree that it could be changed. I've filed this bug to track
this, i
r it makes sense to specify in the IDL which kind the
> interface is.
This is how we ended up doing it.
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ntation
of Workers today, as bz pointed out earlier). Indeed, on a high-core
machine as we should expect to start seeing widely in the coming years, it
might make sense for the browser to randomly limit the number of cores on
a per-origin/session basis, specifically to mitigate fi
e with existing systems like Apple's GCD,
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re fingerprinting bits, I'm happy to try to spec that.
Since this is not my area of expertise, I would welcome detailed
descriptions of use cases, common pitfalls, experience with existing
systems like Apple's GCD, to guide me in such work.
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hen you can fingerprint the user with impunity.
The Web is better than that, or at least, we should make it better.
> Are you saying it's better that people use an estimator poly-fill?
No, I'm saying we should provide an API to address the underlying use case
-- making optimal
at have such a worker pool system also report the number of
> hardware threads available.
They don't have to, though.
> In fact, the web was the only platform I could find that didn't make the
> number of cores available to developers.
The Web is unique in attempting to protec
's no way to tell if the data is
sensitive or not. Fundamentally, a page could encrypt the data in a way
that makes it look like noise.
But I don't really understand what XSS you're concerned about. If you're
worried about the page accessing
On Thu, 1 May 2014, David Bruant wrote:
> Le 30/04/2014 23:32, Ian Hickson a écrit :
> > > > What I'm trying to do is just that an element have display:flex
> > > > and to hide it with the hidden attribute when I don't need the
> > > > elemen
BANDWIDTH EDGE:
> onlineres.html fallbackres.html
> ...
>
> Is it planned to have some similar mechanism ?
Isn't this something browsers should just implement themselves? It's not
clear to me how an author is supposed to know what timeout to give.
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Ian Hickson
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, David Barrett-Kahn wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, David Barrett-Kahn wrote:
> > >
> > > We ran into this same problem on Google Docs offline. Our solution
> > > was to add a proprie
erently?
On Wed, 30 Apr 2014, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
>
> We could change the specification to use display-box instead. That might
> work.
Would that break sites that are intentionally replacing the styling for
hidden="" from 'display:none' to 'opacity:
ame-origin-served blog comments, which isn't that
fringe, to be fair.
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For people following on at home, there's also this bug:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25414
...relating to the order of events in a broadcast channel, and this bug:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25413
...wherein I'm about to change how channel n
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