[whatwg] [url] merge progress

2014-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/url-merge.html See the readme for more information on webspecs: https://github.com/webspecs/url#readme - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] URL Statics questions

2014-11-28 Thread Sam Ruby
reason why I'm asking is that I'm working on rewriting the URL parser per https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25946, and would like to update the https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#host-parsing to be consistent. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-22 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/21/2014 05:32 PM, Domenic Denicola wrote: From: Sam Ruby [mailto:ru...@intertwingly.net] I guess I didn't make the point clearly before. This is not a waterfall process where somebody writes down a spec and expects implementations to eventually catch up. That line of thi

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/19/2014 09:55 AM, Domenic Denicola wrote: From: Sam Ruby [mailto:ru...@intertwingly.net] These results compare user agents against each other. The testdata is provided for reference. Then why is testdata listed as a user agent? It clearly is mislabled. Pull requests welcome

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/19/2014 09:32 AM, Domenic Denicola wrote: From: Sam Ruby [mailto:ru...@intertwingly.net] Done, sort-of: https://url.spec.whatwg.org/interop/browser-results/ Excellent, this is a great subset to have. I am curious what it means when "testdata" is in the "user agents wi

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Ruby
without a test, and so on. Thanks! I've tried to follow the example that the streams spec is providing. Including the naming of directories. From: whatwg [mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Sam Ruby https://url.spec.whatwg.org/interop/urltest-results/ I'd be inter

Re: [whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-18 Thread Sam Ruby
he puck will be". In each case of a known difference in published results, I've linked to rationale for the change (generally to an indication that Anne agrees). I hope this helps. - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] URL interop status and reference implementation demos

2014-11-18 Thread Sam Ruby
ation has a list of known differences from the published standard: intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/url.html - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-04 Thread Sam Ruby
ter is sufficent for non-IE browsers. I had to add the former to get IE working. But, as you undoubtedly have noted, unknown base schemes seem to cause IE too ignore the base URL entirely. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-04 Thread Sam Ruby
d the implementation to match the spec. Spoiler alert: the results returned now don't match either of the values you mention above. - Sam Ruby On Nov 4, 2014, at 14:32 , Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: To help foster discussion, I've made an alternate

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-04 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/04/2014 09:32 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: To help foster discussion, I've made an alternate version of the live URL parser page, one that enables setting of the base URL: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/liveview2.html#f

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-04 Thread Sam Ruby
.html#foobar://test/x Of course, if there are any bugs in the proposed reference implementation, I'm interested in that too. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-02 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/02/2014 02:32 PM, Graham Klyne wrote: On 01/11/2014 00:01, Sam Ruby wrote: 3) Explicitly state that canonical URLs (i.e., the output of the URL parse step) not only round trip but also are valid URIs. If there are any RFC 3986 errata and/or willful violations necessary to make that a

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-01 Thread Sam Ruby
did indeed mean errata to 3986. - Sam Ruby Barry, IETF Applications AD On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: bcc: WebApps, IETF, TAG in the hopes that replies go to a single place. - - - I took the opportunity this week to meet with a number of parties interested in the topic of URL

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-01 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/1/14 7:56 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On 11/1/14 5:29 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: It doesn't say that. (We should perhaps try to find some way to make "{scheme}://" syntax work for schemes that are not problematic (e.g. j

Re: [whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-11-01 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/1/14 5:29 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Meanwhile, The IETF is actively working on a update: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-uri-scheme-reg-04 They are meeting F2F in a little over a week. URIs in general, and this proposal

[whatwg] [url] Feedback from TPAC

2014-10-31 Thread Sam Ruby
thing along these lines I describe above were done, the IETF would be open to the idea of errata to RFC3987 and updating specs to reference URLs. - Sam Ruby [1] http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/url.html [2] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/index.html [3] https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#relative-scheme

Re: [whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-30 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/30/14 2:09 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/urltest-results/d674c14cbe I'll note that galimatias doesn't produce a parse error in this case (and, in fact, the state machine specified by the c

Re: [whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/29/14 4:47 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: 1) Is the following expected to produce a parse error: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/urltest-results/4b60e32190 ? My reading of https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#relative-path-state is that

Re: [whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/29/14 4:47 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: 2) Is the following expected to product a parse error: http://intertwingly.net/projects/pegurl/urltest-results/bc6ea8bdf8 ? What is the DNS violation supposed to mean? I would expect this to

[whatwg] questions on URL spec based on reviewing galimatias test results

2014-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
fined here: https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#host-state And the following only defines fatal errors (e.g. step 5); https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-host-parser My proposed reference implementation does indicate a parse error with these inputs, but this could easily be removed. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-14 Thread Sam Ruby
ng at is https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/tree/master/url, and in particular, the name of: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/url/a-element.html - - - I think that a working and up-to-date live url parser would be a handy thing to have, and I hope to have one available shortly. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-14 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/14/2014 05:49 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: At the present time, all I can say is that the https://url.spec.whatwg.org/, https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/url/, and https://github.com/annevk/url are inconsistent. I

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-14 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/14/2014 04:57 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Given all of the above, would you suggest changing the spec or the expected test results? You said "The expected results are an object that returns the original href, but empty values fo

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-14 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/14/2014 03:41 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: 1) rows where the notes merely say "href" are cases where parse errors are thrown and failure is returned. The expected results are an object that returns the original href, but empty

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-13 Thread Sam Ruby
stories/2014/10/13/url_rb.html Note the comments linking back to spec sections, and comments that identify step numbers. - Sam Ruby P.S. I didn't update to the latest test data yet; but from what I can see the changes wouldn't materially affect the results, so I am publi

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-12 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/12/2014 04:18 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On 10/10/2014 08:19 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: 2) https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-basic-url-parser I'm interpreting "terminate this algorithm" and "return failure" to

Re: [whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-11 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/10/2014 08:19 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: I've now completed step 1, as described at [1]. Here are my questions/comments: 1) https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#url-code-points U+D8000 to U+DFFFD are invalid as they are within the UTF-16 surrogate range Disregard this comment, it turn

[whatwg] URL: spec review - basic_parser

2014-10-10 Thread Sam Ruby
lative-path-state If input contains a path but no query or fragment, the last part of the path will be accumulated into buffer, but that buffer will never be added to the path - Sam Ruby [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2014Oct/0053.html

Re: [whatwg] URL: test case review

2014-10-06 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/06/2014 12:59 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On 10/06/2014 12:42 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2014/10/05/urltest-results/24f081633d This does not match what

Re: [whatwg] URL: test case review

2014-10-06 Thread Sam Ruby
On 10/06/2014 12:42 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2014/10/05/urltest-results/24f081633d This does not match what I find in browsers. (I did not look through the list exhaustively, see below, but since this was the

[whatwg] URL: test case review

2014-10-05 Thread Sam Ruby
er background on my methodology and results: http://intertwingly.net/blog/2014/10/02/WHATWG-URL-vs-IETF-URI - Sam Ruby [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/master/url/urltestdata.txt

[whatwg] Request for HTML.next ideas

2011-04-06 Thread Sam Ruby
AC meeting which goes from the 15th of May to the 17th of May. Thanks! - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] [Moderator Action] Re: HTML5 ISSUE-120 rdfa-prefixes : Proposal to use RDFa according to spec

2011-02-04 Thread Sam Ruby
ou can see examples of how surveys are evaluated: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/#events - Sam Ruby >  -Sebastian > >  http://sebastianheath.com > >  [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/ [2] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/#join > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: >> IS

Re: [whatwg] Article: Growing pains afflict HTML5 standardization

2010-07-12 Thread Sam Ruby
accidental. >> ... > > I believe some time ago a certain Google employee actually *did* state that > some of the conformance problems were unintentional. (yes, I did spend a few > minutes finding that statement but wasn't successful). http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0555.html > Best regards, Julian > > (*) Implementing error recovery, which IMHO isn't required. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Sam Ruby wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: >> > >> > While I agree that it is helpful for us to cooperate, I should point out >> > that the WHATWG was never

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
prefer that such a discussion happen on a publicly archived mailing list. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > > Yet, when you made the change, you did it in a way that made the > WHATWG version not a proper superset. On closer reading, it turns out that I was incorrect here. It still, however, remains a divergence, it still is mis-characteriz

Re: [whatwg] Technical Parity with W3C HTML Spec

2010-06-25 Thread Sam Ruby
occurring in the future? What's the best way to address the mischaracterization of the difference as it is currently described in the WHATWG draft? Most importantly, how can we deescalate tensions rather that continuing in this manner? - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Begin discussions for pushing Last Call into 2010

2009-08-12 Thread Sam Ruby
at that time. And, yes, I am intentionally cross-posting this request. Shelley - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5 (revised)

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Ruby
John Foliot wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Really? This appears to be exactly the single, special status privilege currently reserved for Ian Hickson. False. ...and yes, I stand corrected. Although the *impression* that this is the current status remains fairly pervasive; however I will endeavor

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5 (revised)

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Ruby
sion to publish as a Working Draft. You are welcome to do likewise[2]. JF - Sam Ruby [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#first-wd [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0627.html

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5 (revised)

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Ruby
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: The lesson I would learn from open source is that finding people willing to do useful work is much more important than tools or project organization. While good projects strive to refine their process, my experience is that people who start out by asking project-wide

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-12 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: > > I > would say if your fellow Google developers could understand how this all > works, there is hope for others. "if" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009May/0064.html > Shelley - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-18 Thread Sam Ruby
I also recognize that this would require a parsing change by browser vendors, which also is a cost that needs to be factored in. But right now, I am interested in how it would affect the web if this were done. > -- > Henri Sivonen > hsivo...@iki.fi > http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
han alert, but I don't believe all browsers support console, >> yet. > > This misses the point, because the inconsistency is with attributes named > xmlns:foo. There is a similar inconsistency in how xml:lang is handled. Discuss. > -- > Henri Sivonen > hsivo...@iki.fi > http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: > Sam Ruby wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Shelley Powers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I propose that RDFa is the best solution to the use case Martin supplied, >>> and we

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
more is required. But if not, researching into the options and making recommendations may help. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Dan Brickley wrote: > On 17/1/09 19:27, Sam Ruby wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Shelley Powers >> wrote: >>> >>> The debate about RDFa highlights a disconnect in the decision making >>> related >

Re: [whatwg] RDFa is to structured data, like canvas is to bitmap and SVG is to vector

2009-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
wg.org/2008-April/014372.html Key to Ian's decision was the importance of DOM integration for this vocabulary. If DOM integration is essential for RDFa, then perhaps the same principles apply. If not, perhaps some other principles may apply. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] How to use SVG in HTML5?

2008-01-23 Thread Sam Ruby
On Jan 23, 2008 2:13 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SVG is too heavyweight > for the purpose of such tiny presentational enhancements. I can provide counterexamples: http://intertwingly.net/blog/ http://intertwingly.net/blog/archives/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-23 Thread Sam Ruby
e don't want us to make the quotes optional either. With the latest changes to html5lib, we get a failure on a test named test_title_body_named_charref. Before, "A &mdash B" == "A — B", now "A &mdash B" == "A &mdash B". Is that what we really want? Testing with Firefox, the old behavior is preferable. - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] web-apps/current-work/#datetime-parser

2007-04-17 Thread Sam Ruby
UTC. To convert to UTC I need to add 4 hours. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
conclusion that prefix:name extensions would work differently than in XML. While Python's minidom does not appear to produce the desired results when I call getElementById, it otherwise seems to handle the document identically to the way Firefox does: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2007/04/10/test.py - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:53:21 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:40:39 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Per HTML5 section 8.1.2.3, however, such an attribute name would not be considere

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:40:39 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To give a specific example: say I make my own "mjsml" prefix with namespace "http://example.org/mjsml";. In HTML4 UAs, to look up an "mjsml:extension" attribute

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:40:39 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Per HTML5 section 8.1.2.3, however, such an attribute name would not be considered conformant. Yes, only attributes defined in the specification are conformant. I was specifically referr

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:41:12 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How so? I missed the part where you wanted to

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:41:12 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How so? I missed the part where you wanted to change existing HTML parsers. I thought Hixie pointed out earlier (by

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:41:12 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How so? I missed the part where you wanted to change existing HTML parsers. I thought Hixie pointed out earlier (by means of examples) why we can't have namespace parsing in HTML. I

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
On 4/10/07, Anne van Kesteren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:21:27 +0200, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Or allow any attribute that starts with "x_" or something (to prevent >> clashing with future revisions of HTML), as private attri

Re: [whatwg] Attribute for holding private data for scripting

2007-04-10 Thread Sam Ruby
On 4/10/07, Simon Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or allow any attribute that starts with "x_" or something (to prevent clashing with future revisions of HTML), as private attributes. Instead of "starts with x_", how about "contains a colon"? A conformance checker could ensure that there i

Re: [whatwg] Pre element question

2007-01-19 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Sam Ruby wrote: People often code things like the following: one two three Visually, this ends up looking something like +---+ | | | one | | two | | three | +---+ with the following CSS rule: pre { border: solid 1px #000; } [in

[whatwg] Pre element question

2007-01-19 Thread Sam Ruby
o reduce impediments / excuses for people indicating that their documents are intended to be interpreted as standards compliant HTML5. - Sam Ruby [1] References: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-pre http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#white-space-prop

Re: [whatwg] Standard DOM Serialization? [was :Common Subset]

2006-12-09 Thread Sam Ruby
Henri Sivonen wrote: On Dec 10, 2006, at 02:09, Sam Ruby wrote: I am asking whether there is interest in identifying ONE standard serialization that everybody who wishes to comply with could do so. Why? For digital signatures? For comparing parse trees from different parsers? My train of

Re: [whatwg] Standard DOM Serialization? [was :Common Subset]

2006-12-09 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:29:03 +0100, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If there is no interest in standardizing a serialization (or separate standard serializations form HTML5 and XHTML5), then this discussion belongs on [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.

[whatwg] Standard DOM Serialization? [was :Common Subset]

2006-12-09 Thread Sam Ruby
t; if such a DOM were serialized and then parsed by an HTML5 parser, the DOM produced would differ, as well it should. If there is no interest in standardizing a serialization (or separate standard serializations form HTML5 and XHTML5), then this discussion belongs on [EMAIL PROTECTED] maili

Re: [whatwg] Inline SVG

2006-12-08 Thread Sam Ruby
Leons Petrazickis wrote: On 12/7/06, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:55:32 +0600, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://intertwingly.net/stories/2006/12/02/whatwg.logo > Currently, there wouldn't be one. We could extend HTML5 to have some sort

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-08 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: They were made around the same time (Trackback was invented first). My point was just that Trackback is not a good example of why you need more attributes in HTML, since there are equivalent technologies that do it with existing markup

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-07 Thread Sam Ruby
e page. Here's an example: http://scott.userland.com/2005/11/09.html - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Test cases for parsing spec (Was: Re: Provding Better Tools)

2006-12-07 Thread Sam Ruby
Karl Dubost wrote: Sam, Le 6 déc. 2006 à 23:13, Sam Ruby a écrit : My original interest was to write a replacement for Python's SGMLLIB, i.e., one that was not based on the theoretical ideal of how SGML vocabularies work, but one based on the practical notion of how HTML actually is p

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: The common pattern that I see is that xmlns="". It's certainly the more common value, but it is by no means the only one, as you will see if you examine the various examples I gave in more detail. My bad. Point made. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: xmlns attributes are invalid on HTML elements except html, and when found on unrecognized [elements] imply style="display:none" unless you recognize the value of this attribute. There are millions of documents that would

Re: [whatwg] Sanctity of MIME types

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Robert Sayre wrote: On 12/5/06, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a request. It would be nice if the sniffing algorithm made an exception for "text/plain". It would be nice, but Use case: http://svn.smedbergs.us/wordpress-atom10/tags/0.6/wp-atom10-comments.p

Re: [whatwg] Windows-1252 entities

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
reasons. +1, though I would suggest a one change: 159: 376 // Ÿ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Test cases for parsing spec (Was: Re: Provding Better Tools)

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:13:26 +0100, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Count me in. This is actually closer to the original reason why I originally subscribed to this list. If given a few tests, I could convert them into a useful form,and this form could serv

Re: [whatwg] Test cases for parsing spec (Was: Re: Provding Better Tools)

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
his header. Samples: http://feedvalidator.org/testcases/ http://feedparser.org/tests/ My goal would be to produce something that I could use within the feedparser (and therefore, planet). - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Sanctity of MIME types

2006-12-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: Independent of what the specs say *MUST* happen, I'd like people to bring up one or more browsers with a URL from this list, and see if the browser asked them if they wanted to subscribe. Subscribe is not a normal feature associated

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Sam Ruby
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote: Case in point: http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2006/12/01/The-White-Pebble In IE, there's some stray "XHTML HTML" and "XHTML HTML XML" text. This isn't acceptable to most people. It certainly isn't

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Sam Ruby
ript is likely only a weekend task. This could be designed in such a way that it was only enabled as an about:config option. Where I would need help with is in getting it into the codebase. (Robert? You listening?) - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Sam Ruby
respect for you and your work, you are hardly representative of the majority of Web authors, which is who I have to primarily take into account when it comes to the spec. Agreed. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Sam Ruby
never see an ad served from my site. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Sam Ruby
loyed, but the worst feet-draggers won't be affected any worse than they were in the days when was young. - Sam Ruby

[whatwg] Sanctity of MIME types

2006-12-04 Thread Sam Ruby
ispatch based on this information, but that's outside of the control of the parser. IMHO, the parser itself shouldn't complain when it finds a HTML4 DOCTYPE, or an XHTML2 DOCTYPE for that matter. Of course, a lot more HTML4 documents would be valid HTML5 than XHTML 2 documents. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Sam Ruby
rks if the internal-data-model to HTML5 conversion is lossless. If it is not, people will find ways with structured comments or by creating intentionally invalid HTML5 and relying on the error recovery that is either prescribed or observed to be commonly practiced. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Sam Ruby
quot; attributes with all kinds of bogus values on the Web today. I worked for a browser vendor in the past few years that tried to implement xmlns="" in text/html content, and found that huge amounts of the Web, including many major sites, broke completely. We can't int

[whatwg] wiki: HtmlVsXhtml

2006-12-03 Thread Sam Ruby
In the hopes that it will bring focus to this discussion: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HtmlVsXhtml - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
On 12/2/06, Henri Sivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 18:24, Sam Ruby wrote: > It would not be wise for HTML5 to limit itself to the more constrained > character set of XML. In particular, the form feed character is > pretty popular, BTW, I copy and pasted

Re: [whatwg] markup as authored in practice

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
On 12/2/06, David Hyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shipping Safari has no SVG support. WebKit nightlies do. That's the only reason the logo now renders correctly in the nightlies so that particular file is completely irrelevant to this discussion. I'm confused. Which file? And why is i

Re: [whatwg] markup as authored in practice

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
r capturing unresolved issues that need to be worked? - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] markup as authored in practice

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
nally produced by the script in the following HTML5 document? http://intertwingly.net/stories/2006/12/02/whatwg.logo Any takers? - Sam Ruby P.S. That script, complete with indentation and readable variable names, is still an order of magnitude smaller than http://whatwg.org/images

[whatwg] Graceful Degradation and Mime Types [was: trailing slash]

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
On 12/2/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Elliotte Harold wrote: > Most hand authors including myself don't always achieve well-formedness > because nothing pricks us if we don't. It does when you use the correct MIME type! > Even the tiniest annoyance from a bad page, would cause us

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2006-12-02 Thread Sam Ruby
ait.org/books/javaio2/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0596527500/ref=nosim/cafeaulaitA/ - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] xml:lang and xmlns in HTML

2006-12-01 Thread Sam Ruby
re: http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2006/12/01/The-White-Pebble Note: if you go to that page, I'd highly recommend using a browser that understands the application/xhtml+xml MIME type. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
On 11/30/06, Michel Fortin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We can't really have a document that is both HTML5 and XHTML5 at the same time if we keep the declaration however. Why not? - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
he following: Clearly a fleshed out version of this proposal would preserve the existing specification behavior (including the parse error) for the checked/type example, but for the checked/> example it actually could go either way. I'd personally would allow it. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
disappointed to see portions of this discussion framed in terms that border on the discussions of epic battles with Zeldman. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
e this proposal was, my intent is that that proposal too will also take great care to only be minimally invasive. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-29 Thread Sam Ruby
, and any conformance checker would only point out such examples. Note: the two paths above are mere thumbnail sketches. The devil's in the detail. For example, technically ' would fall on the wrong side the argument, but as I can see from the current draft of HTML5, the right decision was already made in that case. - Sam Ruby

Re: [whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-29 Thread Sam Ruby
document is supposed to do. But I will get there. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' - Sam Ruby

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