Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-21 Thread David Latapie
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:45:14 -0500, Michel Fortin wrote: > What about nested definition lists like all those found in the HTML5 > spec? Would you replace them by nested tables or a bizarre > organisation of cells using rowspan and colspan? And would it still > be intelligible? Yes and Yes. Cont

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-21 Thread Michel Fortin
What about nested definition lists like all those found in the HTML5 spec? Would you replace them by nested tables or a bizarre organisation of cells using rowspan and colspan? And would it still be intelligible? Here are two examples:

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-21 Thread David Håsäther
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:13:25 +0100, David Latapie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Accessorily, I believe there is a need for an equivalent of for . marks a term to define, but what is the marker for its definition? "The paragraph, description list group, or section that contains the dfn eleme

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-21 Thread David Latapie
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:52:23 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:40:13 +0100, David Latapie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My humble point: can do everything can, whilst the reverse >> is not true. He who can do more can do less. > > canot do this: > > > computer > An

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-21 Thread David Latapie
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:23:53 -0500, Matthew Raymond wrote: > This whole thread is as silly as saying that we > should replace with because can express the same > structure. Structure is important, but it's only half of the equation. So you recognize the thread it NOT silly ;-) Let me explain:

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-14 Thread Simon Pieters
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:31:36 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But you can't make *each* of A, B, and C associated with *each* of X, Y -- that's what the example below does. What about this? ABC XY Sure you can: ABC X Y I'm not saying that a table *should* be

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-14 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:50:29 +0100, Simon Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> OK, in this example you're abusing rows, not columns. > Rowspan and colspan allow you to make one cell be part of several rows or > columns, which means that (by usnig only one dimention, and without using > headers="

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-13 Thread Matthew Raymond
Simon Pieters wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:30:27 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler > I don't see what you're trying to get across. As stated before every > stucture can do can do as well. Could you elaborate on what > you think is being abused and why? I don't think structure is the issue. O

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-13 Thread Simon Pieters
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:30:27 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:17:57 +0100, Simon Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How would you represent this in a without abusing the very idea of columns? Don't know what you mean with "abusing columns", b

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-13 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:17:57 +0100, Simon Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How would you represent this in a without abusing the very idea of columns? Don't know what you mean with "abusing columns", but: OK, in this example you're abusing rows, not columns. computerAn ele

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-13 Thread Simon Pieters
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:52:23 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:40:13 +0100, David Latapie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My humble point: can do everything can, whilst the reverse is not true. He who can do more can do less. canot do this: compu

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-13 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:40:13 +0100, David Latapie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My humble point: can do everything can, whilst the reverse > is not true. He who can do more can do less. canot do this: computer An electronic device for information processing. driver A computer program taking c

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-13 Thread David Latapie
Hello and thank you for your reply, On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:35:15 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: > The fundamental difference between tables and definition lists is > that a table > is a two-dimensional mapping of a pair of axes to one value, and a > definition > list is a uni-dimensional map

Re: [whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-13 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:24:33 +0100, David Latapie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The title may seem silly: tables are completely different from > definition lists; the only similarity is that they are both block > elements. > > Well, on the presentational level, I could not agree more. But when you

[whatwg] Definition list and tables: what's the difference ?

2007-02-12 Thread David Latapie
The title may seem silly: tables are completely different from definition lists; the only similarity is that they are both block elements. Well, on the presentational level, I could not agree more. But when you come to think to the semantics, I am not so sure. What follows is pure speculation