Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2012-01-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, David Karger wrote: [...] the Exhibit data visualization framework (http://simile-widgets.org/exhibit) [...] The goal of Exhibit is to make it easy for non-programmers to embed interactive data visualizations in their web pages. HTML has a number of features intended

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2012-01-20 Thread David Karger
On 01/20/2012 02:24 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: Thanks for taking the time to look at this. On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, David Karger wrote: [...] the Exhibit data visualization framework (http://simile-widgets.org/exhibit) [...] The goal of Exhibit is to make it easy for non-programmers to embed

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2012-01-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012, David Karger wrote: However, in our use case, it is in a sense coincidence that our tags are being examined by a script. The _purpose_ of our tags is to provide the same kind of semantic structuring as img or author or navbar tags: specifying that certain elements,

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread David Karger
OK, per Ian's suggestion I'm starting a new thread on a problem that I'd hoped html5 would solve for us. As far as I know the problem still exists so I'm going to raise it here. I'm coming late to the discussion so will surely retread old territory (for example,

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:22:42 +0200, David Karger kar...@mit.edu wrote: Another approach would be to use the catchall html5 data- prefix for attributes. We could certainly prefix all of our specialized attributes with the data- prefix, which would turn those attributes valid for html. This

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread David Karger
Yes, we could, but it doesn't address the two objections I raised to data- prefix: 1. it isn't actually a data attribute, so prefixing with data seems odd (appearance; minor) 2. there's no way to guarantee someone else won't use the same data-exhibit prefix, causing incompatibilities

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:33:47 +0200, David Karger kar...@mit.edu wrote: Yes, we could, but it doesn't address the two objections I raised to data- prefix: 1. it isn't actually a data attribute, so prefixing with data seems odd (appearance; minor) It is custom data implemented by a

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:33 AM, David Karger kar...@mit.edu wrote: Yes, we could,  but it doesn't address the two objections I raised to data- prefix: 1.  it isn't actually a data attribute, so prefixing with data seems odd (appearance; minor) You seem to have mentally associated the data-*

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread David Karger
The html5 spec states that Custom data attributes http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/elements.html#custom-data-attribute are intended to store custom data private to the page or application, for which there are no more appropriate attributes or elements. These attributes are not intended for use

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:33 AM, David Karger kar...@mit.edu wrote: Yes, we could,  but it doesn't address the two objections I raised to data- prefix: 1.  it isn't actually a data attribute, so prefixing with data seems odd (appearance; minor) It's data in the sense that it's being used to

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-18 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:23 AM, David Karger kar...@mit.edu wrote: The exhibit attributes are not associated with any server, and are not associated with any particular data items being delivered by any server. Rather, they are part of  generic software not associated with the server (see

[whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-17 Thread David Karger
Dear whatwg, I wish to submit a comment regarding the (non) use of namespaces in html5. But I hope you might help me track down the relevant issue off which to hang that comment. Some time ago I found a lengthy discussion of whether html5 should use namespaces, with an over-simplified

Re: [whatwg] namespaces in html5

2011-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, David Karger wrote: I wish to submit a comment regarding the (non) use of namespaces in html5. But I hope you might help me track down the relevant issue off which to hang that comment. Some time ago I found a lengthy discussion of whether html5 should use