Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-06 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Marques Johansson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> The W3C WG for media fragments has published a Last Call Working Draft >> at http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ . >> >> The idea of the spec is to enable address

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-06 Thread Marques Johansson
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > Hi all, > > The W3C WG for media fragments has published a Last Call Working Draft > at http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ . > > The idea of the spec is to enable addressing sub-parts of audio-visual > resources through URIs, such as http://

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer > wrote: > > All of the image formats that you are pointing out have an image mime > > type. I am merely pointing out that to support ogg theora browsers > > would need to support a video mime type in an element. I don't > > s

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:23 AM, timeless wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer > wrote: >> Note that I do understand the need and am trying to explain how it can >> be made to work. Also I am trying to show that what might look as the >> simplest approach won't work and why. >

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer > wrote: >> All of the image formats that you are pointing out have an image mime >> type. I am merely pointing out that to support ogg theora browsers >> would need to support a video mime type

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread timeless
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > Note that I do understand the need and am trying to explain how it can > be made to work. Also I am trying to show that what might look as the > simplest approach won't work and why. It doesn't have to be made to work that way, which is the

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > All of the image formats that you are pointing out have an image mime > type. I am merely pointing out that to support ogg theora browsers > would need to support a video mime type in an element. I don't > see that as the intention of the

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, timeless wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 5:26 AM, silviapfeiffer1 > wrote: >> It doesn't actually matter what element the URI appears in - your >> element has to deal with the data that it receives and if >> "file.ogv#t=1:00,1:15" is an Ogg Theora segment out of a

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread timeless
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 5:26 AM, silviapfeiffer1 wrote: > It doesn't actually matter what element the URI appears in - your > element has to deal with the data that it receives and if > "file.ogv#t=1:00,1:15" is an Ogg Theora segment out of a video, then > that is what the element receives. right

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-03 Thread silviapfeiffer1
Hi Jonas, You may also be interested to check out the presentation at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/talks/2010-06-30-Jakub_Sendor-Media_Fragment_Firefox_Plugin.pdf which has a screenshot in it of the Firefox plugin. Will do the screencast this week. Cheers, Silvia. On Fri, Jul 2, 2

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-03 Thread silviapfeiffer1
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 12:07 PM, timeless wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer > wrote: >> This latter one is already defined as a 5 sec video extract from the >> full file.ogv - it's not possible to overload that with turning the >> byte range into an animated gif. > > So, i

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-03 Thread timeless
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > This latter one is already defined as a 5 sec video extract from the > full file.ogv - it's not possible to overload that with turning the > byte range into an animated gif. So, isn't restricted to animated GIFs, Mozilla supports animated

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
The idea or returning a single image for a URI that points at a video has indeed been discussed. It is not possible to do with a URI fragment, since a URI fragment (#) can only return the same mime type as the main URI. But the suggestion for this is to use a URI query. Then, it is possible to retu

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Marques Johansson
A point in time, if it relates to an I-frame, is very small set and it represents an image. It would be interesting to have or animated images in the sense of: I think the earlier post was looking to display video thumbnails using this sort of fragment notation. If the video wasn't being play

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > Actually, a point in time is nothing - it's an empty set. You never > want to actually point to a point in time, but rather to either the > point in time and an interval after that point in time, or everything > from that point onwards. That

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Actually, a point in time is nothing - it's an empty set. You never want to actually point to a point in time, but rather to either the point in time and an interval after that point in time, or everything from that point onwards. That's what these URIs represent. Cheers, Silvia. On Fri, Jul 2, 2

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-01 Thread Jonas Sicking
That would be great. I guess it's unclear to me how the UIs would differ for video.ogv#t=40,50 and video.ogv#t=40 In particular it seems strange to me that video.ogv#t=40 represents the whole range from the selected point to the end of the video, given that most commonly when wanting to point out

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
BTW: I will try and make a screencast of that firefox plugin, which should clarify things further. Stay tuned... Cheers, Silvia. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > Hi Jonas, > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: >> Hi Silvia, >> >> Back in may last year

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Jonas, On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > Hi Silvia, > > Back in may last year I brought [1] up the fact that there are two use > cases for temporal media fragments: > > 1. Skipping to a particular point in a longer resource, such as > wanting to start a video at a particul

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-06-30 Thread Jonas Sicking
Hi Silvia, Back in may last year I brought [1] up the fact that there are two use cases for temporal media fragments: 1. Skipping to a particular point in a longer resource, such as wanting to start a video at a particular point while still allowing seeking in the entire resource. This is current

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-06-30 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:11:44 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> The W3C WG for media fragments has published a Last Call Working Draft >> at http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ . >> >> The idea of the spec is to enable addr

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-06-30 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:11:44 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Hi all, The W3C WG for media fragments has published a Last Call Working Draft at http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ . The idea of the spec is to enable addressing sub-parts of audio-visual resources through URIs, such as http://exam