Re: [whatwg] Image maps: should we drop ?

2005-04-11 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: Client-side with (doesn't work in WinIE6, works in Moz, Opera): (or ) ... I've never seen that used at all either, most likely because it doesn't work in IE and because every single tutorial I've ever seen only teaches area. While it is definitely a bette

Re: [whatwg] elements containing other block-level elements

2005-04-11 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: should probably be allowed too, though it doesn't seem to be included in web apps. Oh well, that's probably a discussion for another thread anyway, if it hasn't already been discussed (I'll search the archives later). We haven't discussed it yet. I hadn't really thought abou

Re: [whatwg] Image maps: should we drop ?

2005-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, fantasai wrote: > > > > Anyone want us to keep ? > > If Moz and Opera support it, then it already passes CR criteria. Yeah, but so what? It's not used, it's redundant with another (more widely implemented, not must worse) feature, and it makes the spec more complicated. Wou

Re: [whatwg] elements containing other block-level elements

2005-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, fantasai wrote: > > > > ... > > ... > > > > ...and given that the former would work in all existing UAs and the > > second wouldn't, and the former has the same semantics as the second, > > I don't see much of an advantage to the second. > > It's similar to the d

Re: [whatwg] Image maps: should we drop ?

2005-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > > Anyone want us to keep ? > > The reason I especially liked it was: > > > > > ... > ... Yup, it is indeed nice; if image maps had been designed that way from the start it would make sense. But it's not _that_

Re: [whatwg] Image maps: should we drop ?

2005-04-11 Thread fantasai
Ian Hickson wrote: Client-side with (doesn't work in WinIE6, works in Moz, Opera): (or ) ... I couldn't find any uses of . (Data based on a sample of over 600,000 randomly chosen sites.) I'd guess that's because of the WinIE6 holdup. Hardly anyone designs a site that won't wo

Re: [whatwg] elements containing other block-level elements

2005-04-11 Thread fantasai
Ian Hickson wrote: I agree that it doesn't seem to make much sense to nest paragraphs inside those tables though. Agreed. ... ... ...and given that the former would work in all existing UAs and the second wouldn't, and the former has the same semantics as the second, I don't see much o

[whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 submission to W3C

2005-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
FYI, the W3C has just acknowledged receipt of the Web Forms 2.0 draft that Mozilla and Opera submitted (on behalf of the WHATWG). Web Forms 2 draft http://www.w3.org/Submission/web-forms2/ W3C Team Comment http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/02/Comment We'll be publishing another cal

Re: [whatwg] Image maps: should we drop ?

2005-04-11 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Ian Hickson wrote: Anyone want us to keep ? The reason I especially liked it was: ... ... ... but I never really used it for something as it wasn't supported by IE... By the way, will it be deprecated, not mentioned or forbidden? Will Mozilla and Opera drop support for it? -- An

Re: [whatwg] elements containing other block-level elements

2005-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > What is the use case for [allowing] tables to be nested inside ? For instance: When you look at x | 1 | 2 | ---+---+---+ 1 | 1 | 2 | ---+---+---+ 2 | 2 | 4 | ---+---+---+ ...it is clear that [bla bla bla]. I a

[whatwg] Image maps: should we drop ?

2005-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
There are fours ways of doing image maps in HTML4: Server-side with form submit: Server-side with hyperlink: Client-side with : (or ) ... Client-side with (doesn't work in WinIE6, works in Moz, Opera): (or ) ... It seems type="ima

Re: [whatwg] multiple forms submit

2005-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Olav Junker Kjær wrote: > > "Submission buttons only submit the first form they are associated with. > Reset buttons must submit all the forms they are associated with." > > You probably meant "Reset buttons must *reset* all the forms they are > associated with." :-) Oops,

Re: [whatwg] multiple forms submit

2005-04-11 Thread Olav Junker Kjær
Ian Hickson wrote: I have tweaked the spec to hopefully fix this. Please let me know if it is still broken. :-) "Submission buttons only submit the first form they are associated with. Reset buttons must submit all the forms they are associated with." You probably meant "Reset buttons must *rese