Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia save the internet?": Wikipedia and political neutrality

2016-11-02 Thread FRED BAUDER
hanks! Craig Newmark founder, craigslist On Nov 2, 2016 12:44 PM, "FRED BAUDER" wrote: Craig, I don't expect you to do anything about it, but Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 has been so much an object of political editing by Clinton supporters that it looks more li

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia save the internet?": Wikipedia and political neutrality

2016-11-02 Thread FRED BAUDER
from the election. How about...reminding me two weeks from today. I might've recovered by then, seriously... Thanks! Craig Newmark founder, craigslist On Nov 2, 2016 12:44 PM, "FRED BAUDER" wrote: Craig, I don't expect you to do anything about it, but Hillary Clinton p

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia save the internet?": Wikipedia and political neutrality

2016-11-02 Thread FRED BAUDER
Craig, I don't expect you to do anything about it, but Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 has been so much an object of political editing by Clinton supporters that it looks more like an ad for Hillary than a Wikipedia article. Fred Bauder On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:43:32 -0400

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Recruiting gamers to edit Wikimedia

2013-07-08 Thread Fred Bauder
If we could somehow create such a good and engaging game that money in our "game" could somehow be valuable enough that Europeans and Americans would buy it from Asian gold farmers who were doing lots of routine updating, or sophisticated editing for that matter, on Wikipedia I wouldn't see that as

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Recruiting gamers to edit Wikimedia

2013-07-07 Thread Fred Bauder
> Will this move (inviting gamers to contribute to Wikipedia in "gamified" > interfaces) further skew the gender demographics of Wikipedia > contributors? > Is there any alternative that provide customized interfaces that are > more > inviting to existing gender-balanced or even female-dominant su

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Recruiting gamers to edit Wikimedia

2013-07-04 Thread Fred Bauder
There is resistance to including material with no published reliable source. They can also edit Wikia which is to a certain extent devoted to gaming. Fred > I think there might be some resistance within the WP community to > encouraging detailed game content in WP. There are plenty of other wikis

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Is Wikipedia a Relevant Model for E-Learning?

2013-04-27 Thread Fred Bauder
“It was interesting to notice that Wikipedia’s ideas and principles did not work (...) Almost none of the students edited the articles during a period of three month.” True of Wikipedia viewed on a global basis, less than .1% edit. Fred > Hello, > > I have already discussed this work on the mai

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Is Wikipedia a Relevant Model for E-Learning?

2013-04-27 Thread Fred Bauder
"No more than 10% really played the game: they actually produced half of the wiki content." An example of the relentless elitism the software encourages. Fred > Hello, > > I have already discussed this work on the mailing list two months ago. > You may now find the preprint on Wikipapers: > http:

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Is Wikipedia a Relevant Model for E-Learning?

2013-04-27 Thread Fred Bauder
"meaning is not the product of a one-sided teaching, but of a dialogical exchange between two seemingly equal human consciousness" Again, we do not aspire to "meaning" nor to "dialog" only to consensus regarding the corpus of generally-accepted information. Even calling it knowledge is a stretch. I

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Is Wikipedia a Relevant Model for E-Learning?

2013-04-27 Thread Fred Bauder
"Truth is a relative virtue, that mostly depends on the effectivity of social procedures and norms." Wikipedia makes no such claim; only that it is a summary of generally accepted knowledge. Fred > Hello, > > I have already discussed this work on the mailing list two months ago. > You may now fin

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Is Wikipedia a Relevant Model for E-Learning?

2013-04-27 Thread Fred Bauder
I've just started reading this, but a few thoughts right off: "As every experiment it should be reproducible" This is not possible because Wikipedia has a world-wide audience and is a top 10 website. No comparable can be expected to develop. Also, compared to using Wikipedia in junior high or co

Re: [Wiki-research-l] real scholarship is expensive

2012-05-22 Thread Fred Bauder
> Piotr says "Let me repeat: editors, authors and reviewers are not > paid" That's completely false. They are all paid professional > salaries by their home universities, and the kind of work they do is > counted in terms of getting jobs, promotions, pay raises and > tenure. Furthermore for the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] real scholarship is expensive

2012-05-22 Thread Fred Bauder
We have about as much talent and personnel as one journal. And an operation of about the same order of magnitude. Fred > There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding among Wikipedians > how academe actually works. Piotr thinks a grad student can produce a > scholarly journal. Look at histor

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Alexa ranking of Wikiversity

2011-05-31 Thread Fred Bauder
> Thanks everyone! I knew that one should be careful with Alexa but I > didn´t expect it could be THAT wrong. It´s a pity because otherwise it > could be a convenient and interesting tool. The next question is: is > this rather an exception or is Alexa in general not reliable? Maybe I > shouldn´t u

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Alexa ranking of Wikiversity

2011-05-30 Thread Fred Bauder
> Hi, > I realized today that surprinsingly the Russian Wikiversity is better > ranked by Alexa than the English version (ru.wikiversity.org = 53.66% of > wikiveritsy.org´s traffic, en.wikiversity.org only 33.28%). > The description says: > "(...) it is relatively popular among users in the city o

Re: [Wiki-research-l] my ph. d. -- still formulating a research question

2010-11-23 Thread Fred Bauder
e nearly always amateur editors, although they may be enrolled in sophomore mathematics classes. A good textbook, or Wikipedia article requires a skilled teacher who can gradually introduce the reader to the concepts, and jargon of mathematics. Fred Bauder > So far, the best phrasing I've

Re: [Wiki-research-l] research on watchlist behaviors?

2010-07-02 Thread Fred Bauder
Watchlist behavior is complex confidential behavior. It is probably impossible to obtain a representative sample. What could be done is investigate patterns of watchlist, and article maintenance, behavior. Fred > James Howison wrote: > >> Currently my plan is to assume that anyone who has edited

Re: [Wiki-research-l] research on watchlist behaviors?

2010-07-01 Thread Fred Bauder
d of a nuisance, essentially whackamole. Investment in articles varies greatly. Fred Bauder > Hi all, > > I'm working on a study for which I'd like to know more about editors' > watchlisting practices. Of course what I'd really like is to know who > had what

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Research policy (now accepted)

2010-04-08 Thread Fred Bauder
The point is well taken that the proposal was not that well advertised and I still haven't found a link to the RFC. Fred Bauder > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny wrote: >> Bryan Song wrote: >>> The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wik