Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-09 Thread Kerry Raymond
I think Wikipedians are Wikipedians for a variety of reasons. Some of them are more altruistic (free knowledge), others are more personal (but not necessarily negative), others reasons are negative (pushing a point of view, advertising, vandalism, stroking their own ego, etc). But if we look at

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-09 Thread Jan Dittrich
Even aside from their fall from grace, > …widely-read-at-the-time analyses… I guess, one would read "Cathedral and the Bazaar" as historically influential text today, I am not sure how "strong" it is as analysis of commons based systems in the first place. Jan Am So., 8. Dez. 2019 um 02:27 Uhr s

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-09 Thread Jan Dittrich
Hello, I would also second Tkacz book as an analysis. Less well known but very interesting, since it has a lot of data detailed and structured, is E.A. Rijshouwer "Organizing Democracy : Power concentration and self-organization in the evolution of Wikipedia". Jan Am Sa., 7. Dez. 2019 um 17

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Juergen Fenn, 08/12/19 01:22: Commoners used to draw on Wikipedia as an outstanding example of commons goods, but Wikipedians usually do not refer to Ostrom's works Indeed, although this has changed a bit after she won a Nobel. It was 2007 when "Understanding knowledge as a commons" made the l

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-07 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
It's worth noting that while Richard Stallman and Eric S. Raymond played important roles historically and published widely-read-at-the-time analyses, both have had significant falls from grace since then and basing current analyses of the commons and other systems on their work should be done _very

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-07 Thread Juergen Fenn
Commoners used to draw on Wikipedia as an outstanding example of commons goods, but Wikipedians usually do not refer to Ostrom's works or even 'The tragedy of the Commons', etc. We mostly draw on hacker's pamphlets such as Eric S. Raymond and John Perry Barlow. At least in the German-speaking comm

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-07 Thread Todd Allen
If you're looking for general history on the digital commons movement, check out Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation, and Eric S. Raymond's *The Cathedral and the Bazaar*. A lot of the initial Wikipedians were very much in favor of open source and open content, and were quite familiar

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Does wikipedians feel like commoners ?

2019-12-07 Thread Alexandre Hocquet
On 07/12/2019 17:04, Sebastien Shulz wrote: Hi everyone, I'm currently doing a Ph.d on digital commons. I'm tracing the history of the "digital common" movement (if there is one). And I wanted to know if there are some studies about Wikipedians and their relation with the conceptual framework of