Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Olaf Simons
What is more problematic than the p/q business: If I run a SPARQL search at our endpoint - such as this one: https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FIlluminatenorden%20%3FIlluminatenordenLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:51 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Yuri Astrakhan, 29/11/18 04:14: > > The "Q" prefix has a strong identity in itself. Anyone will instantly > > say - yes, it's a Wikidata identifier > > But that's because most people only know one Wikibase installation, not > the oth

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Yuri Astrakhan, 29/11/18 04:14: The "Q" prefix has a strong identity in itself.  Anyone will instantly say - yes, it's a Wikidata identifier But that's because most people only know one Wikibase installation, not the other way around. Federico ___

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Daniel, it is not so clear cut. Most users will not be exposed to a "zoo". Case in point - Open Street Map. In OSM, the entire user base of tens of thousands of people know the meaning of Q123. The "Q" prefix has a strong identity in itself. Anyone will instantly say - yes, it's a Wikidata iden

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 28.11.18 um 10:15 schrieb James Heald: > It should also be made possible for the local wikibase to use local prefixes > other than 'P' and 'Q' for its own local properties and items, otherwise it > makes things needlessly confusing -- but currently I think this is not > possible. I think the op

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hi Baptiste, On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:25 PM Baptiste de Coulon (le lieu imaginaire) wrote: > Hello, > > In the pre-conference of SWIB18 [1], Stacy Allison-Cassin and Dan Scott have > lead yesterday a great workshop on "Wikibase: configure, customize, and > collaborate". > > Among others, the d

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
James, this would be possible the moment Wikibase team accept this to be a requirement. This is not a technical issue, it's a philosophical one. I have written a patch that allows wikis to customize it very easily, but alas, no progress. Feel free to chime in. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/med

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread James Heald
It should also be made possible for the local wikibase to use local prefixes other than 'P' and 'Q' for its own local properties and items, otherwise it makes things needlessly confusing -- but currently I think this is not possible. -- James On 28/11/2018 16:32, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: I wo

[Wikidata] Wikidata Advanced Training 2018, in India 15 and 16 December

2018-11-28 Thread Tito Dutta
Hello, An advanced Wikidata training will take place on 15-16 December 2018 in Mumbai (most possibly). Asaf Bartov (User:Ijon) will be the primary trainer of this workshop. Background and objectives In India a few Wikidata trainings took place in recent years, notably User:Asaf (WMF)/2017 Technic

Re: [Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I would add another very important aspect - query prefixes - to build some cohesion within Wikibase community. Currently, WDQS hardcodes prefixes like "wd:" and "wdt:" to be based on the "conceptUri" parameter. Which means that any Wikibase installation that has its own data would still use well-

[Wikidata] Wikibase as a decentralized perspective for Wikidata

2018-11-28 Thread Baptiste de Coulon (le lieu imaginaire)
Hello, In the pre-conference of SWIB18 [1], Stacy Allison-Cassin and Dan Scott have lead yesterday a great workshop on "Wikibase: configure, customize, and collaborate". Among others, the discussion on the panel have show the big interest on a decentralized mode to use Wikidata throug a netw