Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Thad Guidry
In Freebase, back in the day, we also created new entities for the same reasons as Magnus gives. We found that just creating an entity and having potentially duplicate entities created less problems than not having any entity. We later just dealt with duplicate entities through simple human merge r

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Osma Suominen
Magnus Manske kirjoitti 19.06.2017 klo 14:58: My official policy now is to create a new item if one does not exist; the fact that there is an entry in a (good) third-party catalog alone makes them notable on Wikidata, but villages and lakes etc. are also notable by default. Thanks, I guess t

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Magnus Manske
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:16 PM Osma Suominen wrote: > > I couldn't see the "not on Wikidata" button that was mentioned in the > manual in any of the modes. Has it been removed? It would be useful to > be able to mark that something is not (yet) in Wikidata, though I > suppose it could be added

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Osma Suominen
Magnus Manske kirjoitti 19.06.2017 klo 13:54: For "casual matching", try the game mode: https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/random/473 Thanks, I already tried all the modes. They are good for different purposes. The manual mode seems most efficient for verifying the automated matches, mos

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Magnus Manske
For "casual matching", try the game mode: https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/random/473 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:16 AM Osma Suominen wrote: > Hi Magnus! > > It's even higher now - 45%. Thanks a lot! This helps a lot with the > verifying. > > Also matching of names with parenthetical quali

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Osma Suominen
Hi Magnus! It's even higher now - 45%. Thanks a lot! This helps a lot with the verifying. Also matching of names with parenthetical qualifiers works better now. I see that "Ala-Malmi (Helsinki)" was automatched to "Ala-Malmi". However, "Ahjo (Kerava)" was not matched to "Ahjo (Kerava)" (Q118

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Magnus Manske
I fiddled with it a bit, now 35% automatched. Will try some more, but there are some sanity constraints on the matching. If it finds more than one match for the name, it does not set any match, because random matches on the same name were annoying in the past. There is also a type constraint, whic

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-19 Thread Osma Suominen
Hi Magnus, all, I've been looking a bit closer at the YSO places catalog [1] in Mix'n'match and I'm wondering why only 20% of the places were automatically matched. For example, Nepal (http://www.yso.fi/onto/yso/p107682) was automatically matched to Nepal (Q837). But: Accra (http://www.ys

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-17 Thread Osma Suominen
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Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-16 Thread Magnus Manske
send him the files. > > > > Cheers, Joachim > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > > Von: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:wikidata-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>] Im Auftrag von > > &g

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-16 Thread Osma Suominen
> Von: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikidata-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>] Im Auftrag von > Osma Suominen > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juni 2017 12:19 > An: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. > Betreff: [Wikidata] M

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-15 Thread Magnus Manske
t- > > Von: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag > von > > Osma Suominen > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juni 2017 12:19 > > An: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. > > Betreff: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (in

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-13 Thread Neubert, Joachim
eers, Joachim > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von > Osma Suominen > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juni 2017 12:19 > An: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. > Betreff: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match w

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-07 Thread Osma Suominen
07.06.2017, 14:10, Susanna Ånäs kirjoitti: We will also need a coordinate transformation since all official Finnish coordinates are in EPSG:3067. Before or in MixnMatch. The (experimental) Linked Data service of NLS already provides WGS84 coordinates in addition to the official ones, so this s

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-07 Thread Magnus Manske
I won't be getting into coordinate cleanup ;-) Coordinates would have to be compatible with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P625 On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:10 PM Susanna Ånäs wrote: > We will also need a coordinate transformation since all official Finnish > coordinates are in EPSG:3067.

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-07 Thread Susanna Ånäs
We will also need a coordinate transformation since all official Finnish coordinates are in EPSG:3067. Before or in MixnMatch. Susanna 2017-06-07 14:03 GMT+03:00 Osma Suominen : > 07.06.2017, 13:10, Magnus Manske kirjoitti: > >> Does that imply coordinates in Mix'n'match? Because there is no sup

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-07 Thread Osma Suominen
07.06.2017, 13:10, Magnus Manske kirjoitti: Does that imply coordinates in Mix'n'match? Because there is no support for that yet, though I could add it. Do you have an example catalog (existing or to-be-created)? For YSO places, it would be possible to create a Mix'n'Match catalog where the ma

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-07 Thread Magnus Manske
Does that imply coordinates in Mix'n'match? Because there is no support for that yet, though I could add it. Do you have an example catalog (existing or to-be-created)? On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 6:30 PM Susanna Ånäs wrote: > I thought of something like this: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxuJS

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Susanna Ånäs
I thought of something like this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxuJSZymOK8-R1Q0SXpmVGk3dkE/view Susanna 2017-06-06 19:21 GMT+03:00 Alex Stinson : > @Sandra: are you suggesting another layer on top of something like > https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ ? > > Cheers, > > Alex > > On Tue, J

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Alex Stinson
@Sandra: are you suggesting another layer on top of something like https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ ? Cheers, Alex On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Susanna Ånäs wrote: > Would anyone be interested in creating a map interface for matching places > in Mix'n'Match? > > Just a thought... > >

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Susanna Ånäs
Would anyone be interested in creating a map interface for matching places in Mix'n'Match? Just a thought... Susanna 2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+03:00 Osma Suominen : > Magnus Manske kirjoitti 06.06.2017 klo 17:06: > >> By the way, we also have multilingual labels that could perhaps >> improve >>

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Osma Suominen
Magnus Manske kirjoitti 06.06.2017 klo 17:06: By the way, we also have multilingual labels that could perhaps improve the automatic matching. YSO generally has fi/sv/en, YSO places has fi/sv. Can you make use of these too if I provided them in additional columns? Sorry, mix'n'mat

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 2:44 PM Osma Suominen wrote: > Hi Magnus! > > Thanks for your quick response. Comments inline. > > Magnus Manske kirjoitti 06.06.2017 klo 15:57: > > * If you want to "seed" Mix'n'match with third-party/indirect IDs > > already in Wikidata, best to not create the catalog you

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Osma Suominen
Hi Magnus! Thanks for your quick response. Comments inline. Magnus Manske kirjoitti 06.06.2017 klo 15:57: * If you want to "seed" Mix'n'match with third-party/indirect IDs already in Wikidata, best to not create the catalog yourself, but mail me the data instead Okay, great! What's the best

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Magnus Manske
Hi Osma, just a few remarks: * If you want to "seed" Mix'n'match with third-party/indirect IDs already in Wikidata, best to not create the catalog yourself, but mail me the data instead * If you want "YSO places" in Wikidata, we will need a new property for that, unless the P2347 formatter URL w

[Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

2017-06-06 Thread Osma Suominen
Hi Wikidatans, After several delays we are finally starting to think seriously about mapping the General Finnish Ontology YSO [1] to Wikidata. A "YSO ID" property (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2347) was added to Wikidata some time ago, but it has been used only a few times so far.