Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-17 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 17.05.2015 um 00:46 schrieb John Erling Blad: > Your description is pretty far from whats in the proposal right now. > The proposal is not clear at all, so I would say update it and > resubmit if for a new discussion. Can you explain where you think my description is inconsistent with the curre

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
ia is organized >> >> around synonyms, especially across languages, and I think this >> >> difference creates some of the problems. >> > >> > The Lexeme-Part of Wikidata (L-ids) would be separate from the >> Concept-part of >> > Wikidata (Q-ids). The

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-17 Thread Denny Vrandečić
t; > homographs in a single language). Each Lexeme can have several "Senses" > modeled > > as "sub-entities", meaning that each Sense has its own set of > Statements. Each > > Sense can be linked to Senses of other Lexemes (explicit synonyms or > > tr

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-16 Thread John Erling Blad
r Lexemes (explicit synonyms or > translations) and to Q-id concepts (implicit synonyms or translations) using > Statements. > > > -- > Daniel Kinzler > Senior Software Developer > > Wikimedia Deutschland > Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > >

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-16 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 15.05.2015 um 01:11 schrieb John Erling Blad: > How do we go from a spelled form of a lexeme at Wiktionary and to an > identifier on Wikidata? What do you mean by "go to"? And what do you mean by "identifier on Wikidata" - Items, Lexemes, Senses, or Forms? Generally, Wiktionary currently comb

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
r Software Developer > >> > >> Wikimedia Deutschland > >> Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > >> > >> ___ > >> Wikidata-l mailing list > >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org &g

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread John Erling Blad
;> >> Wikimedia Deutschland >> Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread John Erling Blad
be handled as sitelinks in Items? > > Yes, I'd assume so. > > > -- > Daniel Kinzler > Senior Software Developer > > Wikimedia Deutschland > Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > > ___ > Wikidata-l mai

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 14.05.2015 um 23:54 schrieb John Erling Blad: > Let me rephrase, and the question is for Denny unless someone knows the > answer. > > Lexemes at different languages share a spelling, and that is the > reason why they are linked together. That kind of linkage can be > automated. Some other page

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread John Erling Blad
ment/Proposals/2015-05 >> > >> > I think it would be really awesome if we would start moving in this >> > direction. Wiktionary supported by Wikidata could quickly become one of >> > the >> &

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata-l: List rename on Tuesday, 19th

2015-05-14 Thread John Lewis
Hi everyone, On Tuesday, 19th of May, there is the intention to rename the wikidata-l mailing list to wikidata . This will drop the -l suffix. This is being done in the intention to unify and standarise a naming scheme for all Wikimedia mailing lists that

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
it would be really awesome if we would start moving in this > > direction. Wiktionary supported by Wikidata could quickly become one of > the > > crucial pieces of infrastructure for the Web as a whole, but in > particular > > for Wikipedia and its future development. > > > &

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread John Erling Blad
ular > for Wikipedia and its future development. > > Cheers, > Denny > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What is your definition of a language and, if it is not along the lines of the ISO-639-3, how are they organised. One of the first things to do is understand how these languages can be incorporated in Wikidata and prepare for that. Do you have a list with all the languages and hopefully their

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-13 Thread Jan Dudík
> Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-12 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 08/05/2015 15:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) ha scritto: Bene*, 08/05/2015 11:15: So having a Wikibase installation only for Wiktionary makes more sense in my opinion as that is the same plan we currently have for Commons/Wikiquote etc. We? Please remember that's only a personal proposal, which n

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata won another award! \o/ - Land der Ideen

2015-05-11 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, > Congratulations to everyone at Wikimedia Germany! Also congratulations to those who came up with the idea itself! :) Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw - http://www.bn2vs.com Software craftsmanship advocate Developer at Wikimedia Germany ~=[,,_,,]:3 ___

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata won another award! \o/ - Land der Ideen

2015-05-11 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > Congratulations to everyone at Wikimedia Germany! Well deserved. I am happy > that my female mayor query made it to the description ;-) ;-) > What's the story to the picture with the painting on the award page? https://www.wikidata.org/w

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata won another award! \o/ - Land der Ideen

2015-05-11 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Congratulations to everyone at Wikimedia Germany! Well deserved. I am happy that my female mayor query made it to the description ;-) What's the story to the picture with the painting on the award page? Markus On 11.05.2015 14:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Hey folks :) I'm really proud to let y

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata won another award! \o/ - Land der Ideen

2015-05-11 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey folks :) I'm really proud to let you know that Wikidata has won another award. The award is part of an initiative to foster innovation in Germany called Land der Ideen. Wikidata is one of the winners for its dedication to the future. https://www.land-der-ideen.de/ausgezeichnete-orte/preistrae

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-09 Thread Luca Martinelli
> > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
have it in two >>>> different-yet-linked databases, belonging to and maintained by the >>>> very same community? Why can't we work something out to keep all >>>> informations just in one database? >>>> >>&

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Denny Vrandečić
can't we work something out to keep all >>> informations just in one database? >>> >>> This is why I think that setting up a separate Wikibase for Wiktionary >>> might end up in doubling our effort

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
r efforts and splitting our communities, >> which is exactly the opposite of what we need to do (halving the >> efforts and doubling the community).[2] >> >> Sorry for the long post. :) >> >> >> [1] https://www.wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Paul Houle, 08/05/2015 18:30: Concepts and words are different things, or better yet, words (word senses, ...) are a special kind of concept. I think however that Sannita's point is important and interesting. It can perhaps be illustrated with a simple point: Wikidata items (like Wikipedia

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Paul Houle
Concepts and words are different things, or better yet, words (word senses, ...) are a special kind of concept. I was looking at what the data model for a system that supports logical representation of 100% of critical knowledge in business and technical documents over narrow domains. One thin

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Denny Vrandečić
e this > is just an exaggeration for argument's sake, I have of course no data > that might confirm factually that the WD community will surge by 100%. > I just want to make clear my concept (heh). > > -- > Luca "Sannita" Martinelli > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Luca Martinelli
2015-05-08 15:33 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) : > +1. The Wikimedia community has been long able to think of all the Wikimedia > projects as an organic whole. Software, on the other hand, too often forced > innatural divisions. > > Wiktionary, Wikipedia, Commons and Wikiquote (to name the main ca

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Bene*, 08/05/2015 11:15: So having a Wikibase installation only for Wiktionary makes more sense in my opinion as that is the same plan we currently have for Commons/Wikiquote etc. We? Please remember that's only a personal proposal, which no Wikiquote community has ever subscribed to (yet). (C

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Lydia Pintscher, 08/05/2015 09:45: I think we have a >lot of experience here of running services that are different >technically but unified by common goals and common purposes and linking >them. I would argue we are actually really really bad at it;-) +1. The Wikimedia community has been lon

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Romaine Wiki
hts Berlin-Charlottenburg >> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das >> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org &

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Romaine Wiki
xt? > > Also, we should throw WikiSpecies into the mix. > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
ists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wi

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 07/05/2015 14:08, Andy Mabbett ha scritto: On 7 May 2015 at 11:57, Ricordisamoa wrote: Let's focus on Commons, OpenStreetMap, queries, arbitrary access, new datatypes? OSM in what context? Adding mutual links, keeping them up to date, building applications that use both databases, etc.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 07.05.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Milos Rancic: > BTW, Daniel, there are standardized templates for "real" "interwiki" links > (links to the entries with the same meaning in other languages on the same > Wiktionary). It makes sense that Wikidata creates a db for that. Though, it > isn't trivial and as

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Thomas Douillard
Wikidata as values in statements > and having access to their data. However, we should separate lexical > knowledge and Wikidata also wiki-wise. > > Best regards, > Bene > > > ___ > Wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:16 AM Bene* wrote: > Hi > > > I do not think a separate Wikibase instance would be needed to provide > > the data for Wiktionary. I think this can and should be done on > > Wikidata. But as said by Milos and pointed out by Gerard, lexical > > knowledge does indeed requir

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Bene*
Hi I do not think a separate Wikibase instance would be needed to provide the data for Wiktionary. I think this can and should be done on Wikidata. But as said by Milos and pointed out by Gerard, lexical knowledge does indeed require a different data schema. This is why the proposal introduce

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, On 08.05.2015 09:40, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! Other technical solutions can be found for keeping content apart when needed (e.g., separate dumps by entity types). It's not only dumps, it's also searches, APIs, special pages, etc. Of course, everything can be solved with enough time and c

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> The benefits of having it in one instance are huge imho. Our community >> exists and knows how to handle structured data by now. >> Processes/documentation/etc are set up. The world outside is starting >> to realize that Wikidata is t

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > Other technical solutions can be found for keeping content apart when > needed (e.g., separate dumps by entity types). It's not only dumps, it's also searches, APIs, special pages, etc. Of course, everything can be solved with enough time and coding, but to me it looks like running a DB ser

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 08.05.2015 08:50, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: I am worried that having two different data sets within the same instance would be a problem for tools working with the data, and for humans too. And frankly, I don't see too much benefit - virtuall

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > The benefits of having it in one instance are huge imho. Our community > exists and knows how to handle structured data by now. > Processes/documentation/etc are set up. The world outside is starting > to realize that Wikidata is the place to go to for structured data > around Wikimedia now.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > I am worried that having two different data sets within the same > instance would be a problem for tools working with the data, and for > humans too. And frankly, I don't see too much benefit - virtually all > added value Wikidata has now is w

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
t; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Andy Mabbett, 07/05/2015 22:53: >>>>> >> >The Wiktionary communities tend to strongly disagree that >>>>> splitting entries >>>>> >> >per language would be easier for either editors or re

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Denny Vrandečić
ities tend to strongly disagree that splitting >>>> entries >>>> >> >per language would be easier for either editors or readers. >>>> > How many languages are currently used? How will this scale to ~300 >>>> languages? >>>> >>>

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ities tend to strongly disagree that splitting >>>> entries >>>> >> >per language would be easier for either editors or readers. >>>> > How many languages are currently used? How will this scale to ~300 >>>> languages? >>>> >>>> Hm? Last time I counted, the Englis

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > I do not think a separate Wikibase instance would be needed to provide > the data for Wiktionary. I think this can and should be done on > Wikidata. But as said by Milos and pointed out by Gerard, lexical I am worried that having two different data sets within the same instance would be a p

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ary communities tend to strongly disagree that splitting >>>> entries >>>> >> >per language would be easier for either editors or readers. >>>> > How many languages are currently used? How will this scale to ~300 >>>> languages? >>>> >>>> Hm? Last time I counted,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Denny Vrandečić
r language would be easier for either editors or readers. >>> > How many languages are currently used? How will this scale to ~300 >>> languages? >>> >>> Hm? Last time I counted, the English Wiktionary alone used way more than >>> 300 languages. >>

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
s are currently used? How will this scale to ~300 >> languages? >> >> Hm? Last time I counted, the English Wiktionary alone used way more than >> 300 languages. >> >> Nemo >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Denny Vrandečić
300 > languages? > > Hm? Last time I counted, the English Wiktionary alone used way more than > 300 languages. > > Nemo > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikim

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andy Mabbett, 07/05/2015 22:53: >The Wiktionary communities tend to strongly disagree that splitting entries >per language would be easier for either editors or readers. How many languages are currently used? How will this scale to ~300 languages? Hm? Last time I counted, the English Wiktionar

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 May 2015 at 18:27, Yair Rand wrote: > The Wiktionary communities tend to strongly disagree that splitting entries > per language would be easier for either editors or readers. How many languages are currently used? How will this scale to ~300 languages? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Yair Rand : > The Wiktionary communities tend to strongly disagree that splitting entries > per language would be easier for either editors or readers. It has been > discussed before numerous times over the years. I do not see this strong disagreement. The last discussion about it was at

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Milos Rancic
27;s ok then! I have been thinking about something like that for some > time... > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Ricordisamoa
Il 07/05/2015 16:03, Daniel Kinzler ha scritto: Am 07.05.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Yair Rand: Task 1 as described on the proposal page isn't completely clear on how it would work. Would the generated "items" have Q-ids? Would it be possible to link Wiktionary entries to non-Wiktionary pages in the v

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Yair Rand
with this > > > practice? > > > I have never understood why is it done in the first place, never saw > any > > > benefit > > > from it, nor known who came with the idea and why. > > > > ___

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Jo : > What you get on a Wiktionary page is a description of words in several > languages with that particular spelling. Of course 1 spelling can also be > several words in 1 language already. And why? Why not having a separate page for every language, while the spelling would just be a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Luca Martinelli
2015-05-07 14:28 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher : > However we also need to look into > the future. Wiktionary support needs a lot of input to make sure we're > doing the right thing. And it's good to give that time. Totally agree with that. There's plenty of work to do for the team, we all know that,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 07.05.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Yair Rand: > Task 1 as described on the proposal page isn't completely clear on how it > would > work. Would the generated "items" have Q-ids? Would it be possible to link > Wiktionary entries to non-Wiktionary pages in the very rare situations that > make > sense (

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Milos Rancic
t; for Wikipedia and its future development. > > Cheers, > Denny > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Yair Rand
nzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata workshop at the OuiShare Labs Camp 18-19 May, Paris

2015-05-07 Thread Maxime Lathuilière
hi! I have been offered to do a presentation of inventaire.io and how it uses Wikidata, possibly followed by a workshop on Wikidata at the OuiShare Labs Camp , 18-19 May, Paris. Any one wanting to help animating the workshop? It's just a few days before the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey folks :) You're absolutely right that we need to focus on a few other things first (UI redesign, units, queries, arbitrary access, data quality tools incl watchlist improvements). However we also need to look into the future. Wiktionary support needs a lot of input to make sure we're doing the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 May 2015 at 11:57, Ricordisamoa wrote: > Let's focus on Commons, OpenStreetMap, queries, arbitrary access, new > datatypes? OSM in what context? Also, we should throw WikiSpecies into the mix. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Magnus Manske
edia and its future development. > > Cheers, > Denny > > _______ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Ricordisamoa
Hi Denny, I would strongly advise against connecting Wiktionary to Wikidata in the status quo, mainly for the reasons Gerard summarized. While wikt's 'data model' probably makes sense for a spelling-based dictionary, it does not for a concept-based knowledge base like ours. Even turning Wiktiona

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Jo
it done in the first place, never saw any > benefit > from it, nor known who came with the idea and why. > > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidat

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Gerard Meijssen : > The interwiki links to Wiktionary are from an interwiki point of view > EXTREMELY easy to do. The problem with those links is that they cannot be > uniquely linked to existing items to Wikidata and thereby it becomes > unrealistic to do it in a meaningful way at this t

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
l be extremely quick. Hooray! > > -- > John Vandenberg > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-06 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Would it not make sense to FIRST finish a few things.. Like Commons and > Query ? One of the primary things Wikidata was supposed to do is manage interlanguage links for Wikimedia projects. That isnt finished until Wiktionary joins

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
; >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing lis

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ipedia and its future development. > > Cheers, > Denny > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
It is rather clear that everyone wants Wikidata to also support Wiktionary, and there have been plenty of proposals in the last few years. I think that the latest proposals are sufficiently similar to go for the next step: a break down of the tasks needed to get this done. Currently, the idea of h

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata Visualization Challenge

2015-05-04 Thread Jan Ainali
Hello, Today a Wikidata Visualization Challenge starts, a competition aimed to make it easier to understand the value of Wikidata, what is in there, and/or how it is being created. The challenge ends June 1 and there are some nice prizes available. Checkout http://wvc.se for more details. *Bes

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings

2015-04-09 Thread Antoine Isaac
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings

2015-04-08 Thread Scott MacLeod
ae Kim >> Semantic Web and Open Data Hacker >> Open Knowledge Foundation Korea >> http://thedatahub.kr >> http://getthedata.kr >> http://blogweb.co.kr >> Tel: +82-(0)10-3201-0714 >> Who's Who in the World's 27th Edition - 2010 >> IBC 2000 Outsta

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings

2015-04-08 Thread Thad Guidry
Korea > http://thedatahub.kr > http://getthedata.kr > http://blogweb.co.kr > Tel: +82-(0)10-3201-0714 > Who's Who in the World's 27th Edition - 2010 > IBC 2000 Outstanding Scientists - 2010 > > > ___ > Wikidata-l maili

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings

2015-04-08 Thread Kim Haklae
Hi all, I am pleased to announce that the Freebase-Wikidata mappings are shared in public. http://github.com/Samsung/KnowledgeSharingPlatform Google is already providing the mapping relation between Freebase and Wikidata (https://developers.google.com/freebase/data), however, they might not

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata periodic table

2015-04-07 Thread Ricordisamoa
Forgot: the code is formally under review here . GPL-3.0+ as the old WikiPeriod. Il 08/04/2015 01:18, Ricordisamoa ha scritto: I'd like to announce a new Labs tool to show a periodic table . It is based on WikiPeriod's P

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata periodic table

2015-04-07 Thread Ricordisamoa
I'd like to announce a new Labs tool to show a periodic table . It is based on WikiPeriod's PHP code (in turn ported from JavaScript) and features several improvements: * 'tiles' are wider and taller; * most of them are now provided with a background color (

[Wikidata-l] wikidata tag on Openstreetmap

2015-03-20 Thread Jo
Hi, I'm a longtime OSM contributor. I like the idea of Wikidata and what I'm really interested in is a sort of bridge between both projects. Would somebody be interested in writing a game like application, which would invoke JOSM Remote Control (JOSM RC) at the coordinates in the wikidata item an

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Thanks Maartens for the info. On 08.03.2015 02:03, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, > And to answer your second question: "Maximum number of values is 50 (500 for bots)" (from https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbgetentities) That seems a bit much to me. Considering an entity ca

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-08 Thread Maarten Dammers
Hi, Jeroen De Dauw schreef op 8-3-2015 om 2:03: Hey, > And to answer your second question: "Maximum number of values is 50 (500 for bots)" (from https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbgetentities) That seems a bit much to me. Considering an entity can easily be over 1MB i

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-07 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, > And to answer your second question: "Maximum number of values is 50 (500 for bots)" (from https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbgetentities) That seems a bit much to me. Considering an entity can easily be over 1MB in size. Won't something die by the time you get to half

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-07 Thread Maarten Dammers
Markus Krötzsch schreef op 7-3-2015 om 18:41: On 07.03.2015 16:39, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Etiquette is probably the best/reference document here... Thanks, this answers my first question (no worries about request rate as long as requests are serialized)

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 07.03.2015 16:39, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Etiquette is probably the best/reference document here... Thanks, this answers my first question (no worries about request rate as long as requests are serialized). Markus ___

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Etiquette is probably the best/reference document here... Nemo ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata read API etiquette

2015-03-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Hi, Quick question about the wbgetentities API: are there any general rules that clients should obey when making requests? * Maximal hit rate? * How many entities can you actually get in one request? Is this documented anywhere? Is it possible for a tool to find this number or is it just har

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Toolkit 0.4.0 released

2015-02-28 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Markus Kroetzsch wrote: > Hi all, > > I am happy to announce the release of Wikidata Toolkit 0.4.0 [1], the Java > library for programming with Wikidata and Wikibase. The main new features > are: > > * Full support of a variety of new Wikidata features (including s

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata Toolkit 0.4.0 released

2015-02-27 Thread Markus Kroetzsch
Hi all, I am happy to announce the release of Wikidata Toolkit 0.4.0 [1], the Java library for programming with Wikidata and Wikibase. The main new features are: * Full support of a variety of new Wikidata features (including statements on properties and new datatypes) * More robust JSON pa

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-18 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 18.01.2015 15:32, Egon Willighagen wrote: OK, thanks! BTW, I could confirm the NPE solved by adding that json-MMDD/ subdir... Great. Another question: is it possible to cancel to process of parsing a datadump file programmatically? I saw the time out, but integrating it in a GUI wher

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-18 Thread Egon Willighagen
OK, thanks! BTW, I could confirm the NPE solved by adding that json-MMDD/ subdir... Another question: is it possible to cancel to process of parsing a datadump file programmatically? I saw the time out, but integrating it in a GUI where the user may push a cancel button, and would be nice if

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-18 Thread Markus Krötzsch
The issue was fixed in master now. I also added some more INFO-type messages that will report about the dump files found online and locally. Cheers, Markus On 18.01.2015 14:26, Markus Krötzsch wrote: On 18.01.2015 10:58, Egon Willighagen wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Markus Krötzs

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-18 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 18.01.2015 10:58, Egon Willighagen wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: It is easy to fix this (though I will not fix it tonight, but tomorrow) by just adjusting the HTML strings we parse for. Sure! I have subscribed to the bug report. As an intermediate workaro

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-18 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > It is easy to fix this (though I will not fix it tonight, but tomorrow) by > just adjusting the HTML strings we parse for. Sure! I have subscribed to the bug report. As an intermediate workaround for me, what file name pattern is used in

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-17 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 17.01.2015 23:04, Markus Krötzsch wrote: ... Question to the MW folks: Is there any machine-readable API to get the list of available dump files? I mean: "WMF folks", of course -- Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Toolkit NullPointerException

2015-01-17 Thread Markus Krötzsch
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