[Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-02 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey everyone, The next sister project to get language links via Wikidata is Wikisource. We're currently planning this for January 13. The coordination is happening at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikisource On this page we're also looking for ambassadors to help spread the messages to t

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is very similar in content as the Commons Creator and Institution namespaces Thanks, Gerard On 2 November 2013 16:30, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Hey everyone, > > The next sister project to get language links via Wikidata is > Wikisource. We're currently planning this for January

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-02 Thread David Cuenca
Excellent news! :) For the author pages it is quite straight-forward. For the bibliographic metadata the easiest would be to connect wikidata items with the "Book:" page generated by the (planned) Book Manager extension. The "Book:" page is supposed to provide the book structure and act as a metad

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-03 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
Two questions: *Why don't you add Wikiquote?, It's pretty look like Wikipedia in concept (you don't have to make so many new items when you add Wikiquote as client of Wikidata) *Wikisource has a big difference in interwiki mapping. you can map an item in wikisource to several item in another langua

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir Ladsgroup, 03/11/2013 18:36: Two questions: *Why don't you add Wikiquote?, It's pretty look like Wikipedia in concept (you don't have to make so many new items when you add Wikiquote as client of Wikidata) Very true! Perhaps the proposal needs more supporters, it should be very trivial to

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-03 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > Two questions: > *Why don't you add Wikiquote?, It's pretty look like Wikipedia in > concept (you don't have to make so many new items when you add > Wikiquote as client of Wikidata) One project after the other :) They'll all be added in due

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-03 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Amir Ladsgroup, 03/11/2013 18:36: > >> Two questions: >> *Why don't you add Wikiquote?, It's pretty look like Wikipedia in >> concept (you don't have to make so many new items when you add >> Wikiquote as client of Wikidata) > > > Very

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-03 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 03.11.2013 19:59, schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo): >> *Wikisource has a big difference in interwiki mapping. you can map an >> item in wikisource to several item in another language (we have an >> open bug in bugzilla for Pywikibot about it: >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55090)

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-04 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > Am 03.11.2013 19:59, schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo): > >> *Wikisource has a big difference in interwiki mapping. you can map an > >> item in wikisource to several item in another language (we have an > >> open bug in bugzilla for Pywikibot ab

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 04.11.2013 16:10, schrieb Amir Ladsgroup: > If you're using statement instead of site link who we can trace item from > article of wikisource to wikidata This will very soon be possible with queries. > and how can show the interwikis in article of > wikisource? You can't control the sidebar d

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-04 Thread David Cuenca
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > Am 04.11.2013 16:10, schrieb Amir Ladsgroup: > > If you're using statement instead of site link who we can trace item from > > article of wikisource to wikidata > > This will very soon be possible with queries. > Actually a query or Lua woul

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-04 Thread Daniel Kinzler
This sounds feasible, yes. If I understand correctly, you want one item for each work (or work expression?), and one for each edition of that work. The editions would link back to the work with a is-edition-of property (or the other way around: the work item would have an "editions" statement for

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-04 Thread David Cuenca
Yes, that would be it: one work-item (acting as hub), x edition items connected to the work-item, each edition-item connected to its corresponding Wikisource page with a sitelink and, on Wikisource, an auto-generated nav bar that lists all sitelinks from all edition-items on the left (equivalent to

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 05.11.2013 01:12, schrieb David Cuenca: > Yes, that would be it: one work-item (acting as hub), x edition items > connected > to the work-item, each edition-item connected to its corresponding Wikisource > page with a sitelink and, on Wikisource, an auto-generated nav bar that lists > all sitel

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > However, MediaWiki only supports one link per target site in the sidebar. > > Maybe an on-page navigation box could be used instead of "proper" language > links? > > With the help of JavaScript, the contents of that nav box could then be > mo

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 06.11.2013 13:43, schrieb David Cuenca: > On English Wikisource they were using this template to allow more than one > link > per language: > https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Interwiki-info > > However it seems that is not working now on this page (the interwiki list > should > be much

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > MediaWiki used to handle this inconsistently: multiple links for the same > language where shown in the sidebar, but not recorded in the database. This > inconsistency was fixed a few months ago - now, only one link per page can > exist. I su

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-08 Thread Joe Filceolaire
Actually the problem isn't that you can only have one link from a wikisource work from a wikidata item. We have separate wikidata items for each edition of a work (because these have different metadata) so multiple editions of the same work on a wikisource link to different wikidata items. This cr

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-08 Thread Sven Manguard
You bring up a good point. Is there anyway to have the interwiki links that show up on the sidebar point to a page with a different q# ID then the should? If we can do that we can have every version of a given book all point to a disambiguation page that lists all of the versions. I can't think of

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-08 Thread David Cuenca
The sitelinks are not used directly, they are aggregated by using the work item as a central hub. Basically the algorithm is: 1.- query all edition-items that are connected to the same work-item using "edition of" 2.- make a list of all the sitelinks used on each one of these edition-items (1 sitel