Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 9:59:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sainto...@telus.net writes: > Most of these > rare works will be in large cities where there will also be a > concentration of people available to verify the material. For much of > our material the acceptance criterion validly re

Re: [WikiEN-l] Usability testing ("Try Beta")

2009-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
I'm trying it. It looks a lot like Vector, which I was already using. Haven't really made up my mind about Vector/Acai. Seems like a step in the right direction, but it's not really earth shatteringly better. But then, usability is not really about helping experienced power-users... Steve On Fri,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia was founded for OR

2009-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:51 AM, wrote: > Skepticism rears it's ugly head. I just don't think that motivations are ever that straight forward. Everyone loves to tell a simple tale like "The idea came to me one day when X, so that night I decided to Y". Usually, though, we all have lots of differen

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Ray Saintonge
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/2009, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: > >> What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or >> days even) via whatever transportation I have available? >> >> What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 7:42:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: > What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or > days even) via whatever transportation I have available? > > What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Emily Monroe
Will, If I may ask a question. What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or days even) via whatever transportation I have available? What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and there's no way I can really get books or newsletter to help cite

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:40:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, d...@tobias.name writes: > So if I wanted to cite some rare book which I happened to know of > only one copy in existence, located at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole > Station in Antarctica, it would be up to you to arrange travel the

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 73, Issue 28

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:26:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, d...@tobias.name writes: > How come online "for-pay" stuff is to be excluded by your proposed > rule, but not on-paper "for pay" stuff? Printed books, magazines, > and newspapers are not generally free.>> -- Again thi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:27:16 -0400, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > >> You're right.  Several years ago, we had discussed this very issue. >> That nothing "free" is really free is you have to pay to travel *to* it. >> IIRC we basically agreed tha

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:27:16 -0400, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > You're right. Several years ago, we had discussed this very issue. > That nothing "free" is really free is you have to pay to travel *to* it. > IIRC we basically agreed that traveling about, is just part of your > normal life. So if

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 73, Issue 28

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:04:58 -0400, wjhon...@{gag,vomit,retch}aol.com > wrote: > >> You have completely ignored the requirement that I am here *solely* >> referring to items which live, online, behind subscription walls.  If >> the item is

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 73, Issue 28

2009-08-09 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:04:58 -0400, wjhon...@{gag,vomit,retch}aol.com wrote: > You have completely ignored the requirement that I am here *solely* > referring to items which live, online, behind subscription walls. If > the item is free, then it does not. So that removes the majority of > yo

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David Gerard wrote: > The problem being discussed in this thread would be solved by the > feature (much-desired by Commons) of turning categories into tags - so > that e.g. [[Category:Left-handed dead Jewish lesbian presidents of the > United States]] could become

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
Cacharoth has it correct. My response was in three parts, part one only refers to those items which *solely* have an online life and no offline life whatsoever. That first part is what a few people have objected to, but they objected to something which I did not say. Let's say that someone dec

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Emily Monroe
> Just because a vanishingly small minority of people can't be > classified as male or female, that is a reason to not bother doing > such classifications? If that was a valid argument, many of these > information forms that people fill in wouldn't ask for your gender. > Those forms usually

Re: [WikiEN-l] Sure sign that Britannica is dead meat: it's turned into a patent troll

2009-08-09 Thread Mathias Schindler
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM, geni wrote: > Patent dates to 1993 about when Encarta first appeared. I don't think > that Britannica could quite be considered dead meet at that point. Owning a (software) patent is one thing, using it beyond mere defensive measure is another. The road map litigat

Re: [WikiEN-l] Sure sign that Britannica is dead meat: it's turned into a patent troll

2009-08-09 Thread geni
2009/8/9 David Gerard : > http://is.gd/296dF > > > - d. Patent dates to 1993 about when Encarta first appeared. I don't think that Britannica could quite be considered dead meet at that point. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimed

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/9 Carcharoth : > Tags and categories are different. Ideally, you would have both, or a > clear of idea of what would be "primary" tags (what we call > categories) and what are descriptive tags. Oh yeah. But in practice, most of our ridiculously specific sub-sub-cats are pretty much someon

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/8/9  : > >> About "Women" on Wikipedia, I think "famous" is probably problematic, like >> "list of short women", is too much based on a judgement call. >> And a list of all women on wikipedia would be too enormous. >> However I would think

[WikiEN-l] Sure sign that Britannica is dead meat: it's turned into a patent troll

2009-08-09 Thread David Gerard
http://is.gd/296dF - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/9 : > About "Women" on Wikipedia, I think "famous" is probably problematic, like > "list of short women", is too much based on a judgement call. > And a list of all women on wikipedia would be too enormous. > However I would think no one would object to something like Women by > Nationalit

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread KillerChihuahua
I agree completely with David, and if David is misunderstaning, please explain. Your comment in an earlier email that "Most people seem to fail to understand to what I refer." certainly applies to me, as I have no idea what you're talking about. I also cannot see why you're being coy rather than

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > http://www.dailylit.com/tags/wikipedia-tours Thank you for that link. I had thought to do something like that myself. I have been saved the time now. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:49 AM, David Goodman wrote: > The only paid references that should be removed are those which merely > duplicate exactly what is available from other sources.  For example, > if a story is reprinted  in many newspapers, we should try to find one > which is free. I think

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Emily Monroe wrote: >>  Trying to hammer every peg into one of just two holes is bound to >> cause problems. > > Then there's the issue of people who are inter-sexed (born with mixed > or absent gender-specific organs, example being [[Jim Sinclair]]), > genderfuck (i