Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-09-05 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: That's a very good idea. +1 The name strikes me as the biggest drawback of the current system. Carcharoth On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:36 AM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: I think there's a terminology issue. We

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-09-05 Thread Brock Weller
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: snip Is it not more likely that most long-term editors who

Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Bod Notbod wrote: One of the proposals on the strategy wiki has recommended an adjustment to talk pages. I added that perhaps the tab should be called discussion/feedback to encourage people who are primarily readers to let us know what they thought of an article without it necessarily

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Risker wrote: There are some opportunities to improve practices here, and to really take a look and decide which articles (and rarely, article talk pages) need this indefinite protection. At the same time, I really do believe that if an admin is going to reduce protection on a page with an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
I was away and missed the FR discussions, but I have to say this: the vanishing point is nowhere in sight! Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8237271.stm Interesting story there. Hadn't realised there was even a lawsuit in progress. With Google books, any student anywhere in the US will

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-09-05 Thread Sage Ross
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: The name strikes me as the biggest drawback of the current system. I think de Alfaro put it well himself in his quote from Information Week: 'Despite its name, WikiTrust can't directly measure whether text is trustworthy.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 9/5/09, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I was away and missed the FR discussions, but I have to say this: the vanishing point is nowhere in sight! FR? (Racks brains). I assume you mean flagged revisions? ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Tony Sidaway wrote: On 9/5/09, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I was away and missed the FR discussions, but I have to say this: the vanishing point is nowhere in sight! FR? (Racks brains). I assume you mean flagged revisions? Got it in one! Oh, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com: Would it be possible for you to do a comparison with Wikipedia just before semiprotection was enabled? I've long wanted to know whether the argument that semiprotections would replace full protections holds any water. Such a comparison should be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread WJhonson
Charles a few things. You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which will mask where you are, and thus allow anyone to read a book as if they were in the US. Secondly I like the idea of asking Google Books

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com: Charles a few things. You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book.  There is a thing called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which will mask where you are, and thus allow anyone to read a book as if they were in the US. That is probably

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/5  wjhon...@aol.com: Charles a few things. You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book.  There is a thing called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which will mask where you are, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread WJhonson
No people *should* break and ignore stupid rules :) Just like the pigs do. What you didn't live during the '60s ? I mean it's not like you're going to be sued by WMG for 2.4 million . W.J. fight the man ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/5  wjhon...@aol.com: Charles a few things. You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book.  There is a thing called proxy or super proxy or something of that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Gwern Branwen wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com: Charles a few things. You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread David Goodman
1. Do we have an approved and sensible citation style for GB? The point is that some people simply paste in the very long GB URL for a page. I tend to do the other thing, which is to treat it no differently from a book I have open in front of me. You do both. As I understand it , the standard

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:22:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com writes: Yup, there is a reason the wjhon...@aol.com mails still have a killfile chez moi. Managing to miss the point that if a link appears broken to anyone in the world it might simply get

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread David Goodman
I forgot to mention that the G Book interface has a list of links on the left , headed: Get this book. First it lists commercial sources, and then it almost always lists: Find this book in a library. That link takes you to the record for the book in WorldCat. You can use the necessary part

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:10:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wikim...@inbox.org writes: But the link should go to a generic page which potentially works with more sites than just Google Books, like [[Special:BookSources]]. I like that. Make Google Books just one of the options. I can see

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:18:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: Contract violation *is* illegal. (Assuming a website ToS is a binding contract - has that ever been tested in court?) Piffle.  Who is going to sue?  Who has standing to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:37:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: Either Google or the publisher/author of the book you viewed. People get sued for bypassing DRM, why couldn't they be sued for bypassing restrictions on Google books? Google suffers no damage from

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:37:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: Either Google or the publisher/author of the book you viewed. People get sued for bypassing DRM, why couldn't they be sued for bypassing restrictions on Google books?

[WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Apoc 2400
When I cite from Google Books I use something like this: ref name=Wilson{{cite book|last=Wilson|first=Carol|title=Freedom at risk: the kidnapping of free Blacks in America, 1780–1865|publisher=University Press of Kentucky|date=1994|pages=43–44|isbn=0813118581|url=

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yeah, let's botspam Wikipedia. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/6 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: What could possibly go wrong? http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo-tools/115582-wikipedia-linking-tool.html If your life is suffering from inadequate levels of stupid (I know! Whose doesn't?), that looks like just the forum for you

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yeah, let's botspam Wikipedia. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

2009-09-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/6 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/9/6 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: If your life is suffering from inadequate levels of stupid (I know! Whose doesn't?), that looks like just the forum for you to get a topup from. Why do you still read SEO sites? They are all that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yeah, let's botspam Wikipedia. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

2009-09-05 Thread Risker
2009/9/6 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com What could possibly go wrong? http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo-tools/115582-wikipedia-linking-tool.html If your life is suffering from inadequate levels of stupid (I know! Whose doesn't?), that looks like just the forum for you