Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-30 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/29 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com: Quality is just the default. Draft(unflagged) Checked Reviewed, perhaps? I suspect it's actually important to get this right first time - on en:wp, policy formation is by someone making up a makeshift apparatus off the top of their head, then

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, FT2 wrote: So the resolution of your question above is, if anyone could in principle check it without analysis, just by witnessing the object or document and attesting it says what it says (or is what

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
Durova wrote: Suppose for discussion's sake we can fully trust that the brother-in-law of Jeane Dixon's nephew has indeed commented upon the matter. Relatives have been known to get their facts wrong. The more distant, the more likely a mistake. Your presumption here is that the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Cary Bass
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ray Saintonge wrote: Durova wrote: Suppose for discussion's sake we can fully trust that the brother-in-law of Jeane Dixon's nephew has indeed commented upon the matter. Relatives have been known to get their facts wrong. The more distant, the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Charles Matthews
Gregory Maxwell wrote: An example of the kinds of problems you bump into when depending on primary sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Swampyankdiff=prevoldid=312682486 But there should be no problem under policy for pointing out BOTH what a respectable primary

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
George Herbert wrote: Verifyable, but untrue - where there's evidence to disprove but it's not compellingly better quality data than the untrue data - is the hard case. Either walk the narrow line and present both or pick one and defend using it, staying aware that more info may clarify the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
Ken Arromdee wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, FT2 wrote: So the resolution of your question above is, if anyone could in principle check it without analysis, just by witnessing the object or document and attesting it says what it says (or is what it is, or has certain obvious qualities), then

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
Cary Bass wrote: Ray Saintonge wrote: One secondary source that uses 1904 for Jeane Dixon's birth is IMDB, but they err in their link to her husband James Dixon. He was an acquaintance of Hal Roach, and the Dixons were married in 1939, but the linked James Dixon was *born* in 1939.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Durova
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Durova wrote: Suppose for discussion's sake we can fully trust that the brother-in-law of Jeane Dixon's nephew has indeed commented upon the matter. Relatives have been known to get their facts wrong. The more

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread FT2
Policies and rules don't work that way, exactly. They're a bit zen, they point to the moon, but they aren't the moon themselves. if you want a formal policy that everyone /must/ follow, then 5 pillars, or WP:CLUE are in some ways more speaking to the spirit of things, rather than the detail of it.

[WikiEN-l] Wikimedia Staff office hours

2009-09-30 Thread Cary Bass
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, this is a reminder that office hours will be tomorrow, Thursday, October 1, at 1600 UTC (9:00 AM PDT) and feature Rand Montoya. The IRC channel that will be hosting Rand's conversation will be #wikimedia-office on the Freenode network. If

Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On 9/30/09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I reiterate that all experienced editors should try editing as an IP for a while. See how well our propaganda matches the way we The thing that puts me off most, personally, is that the IP is recorded and published. I wouldn't really