Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting VA with a camera soon?

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton just volunteered for something. Anyone got favoured VA exhibits we don't have a pic of? Get back to him with room, collection, cabinet, etc :-) VA = Victoria and Albert, a London museum, to save you all the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:30 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the theory that volunteers will work hard at whatever they damn well feel like. This is one way to get n00bs in, and doesn't preclude other approaches. Here's another: when someone searches for an article

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say norwegian antarctic expedition) Incidentally, I find the following collection of facts rather curious in their ensemble: 1) Norwegian Antarctic Expedition was one of the most requested redlinks, with 25 or so hits 2) There is a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say norwegian antarctic expedition) Incidentally, I find the following collection of facts rather curious in their ensemble: 1) Norwegian Antarctic Expedition

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say norwegian antarctic expedition) Incidentally, I find the following

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say norwegian antarctic expedition) that doesn't exist, let's encourage them to add it - we have successfully located someone interested in a topic that we don't have an article about. This is a good start. The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting VA with a camera soon?

2009-12-06 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton just volunteered for something. Anyone got favoured VA exhibits we don't have a pic of? Get back to him with room, collection, cabinet, etc :-) VA = Victoria and Albert, a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting VA with a camera soon?

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Something for Commons, though? That's tricky, since Commons by definition only stores media, it doesn't have a framework of concepts to hang media off by default. That's why it would be very natural to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Given the huge preponderance of readers over editors, the last point really should be first (visit help desks). Then I would go to drafting: If you are able to draft an article on this topic, you can

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread altally
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: I personally think we are at the stage where we should be spending time improving what we have, rather than creating more work. We aren't low on articles. --Majorly I find this view strange, and if it is a common

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting VA with a camera soon?

2009-12-06 Thread David Gerard
2009/12/6 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Something for Commons, though? That's tricky, since Commons by definition only stores media, it doesn't have a framework of concepts to hang media off by

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting VA with a camera soon?

2009-12-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:28 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/6 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Something for Commons, though? That's tricky, since Commons by definition only stores

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
Steve Bennett wrote: Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say norwegian antarctic expedition) that doesn't exist, let's encourage them to add it - we have successfully located someone interested in a topic that we don't have an article about. This is a good start.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread David Gerard
2009/12/6 Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name: It's happened to me a few times, that I've created a new article where I thought there was a gap, then later found there to be one already under a slightly different name. That'ds why quite a lot of my editing is actually creating redirects!

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/6 Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name: It's happened to me a few times, that I've created a new article where I thought there was a gap, then later found there to be one already under a slightly different name.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread altally
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: I've wanted to find out how many redirects I've created, but the normal tools seem to ignore redirects. Anyone know how to list the redirects you've created? Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM, altally altal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: I've wanted to find out how many redirects I've created, but the normal tools seem to ignore redirects. Anyone know how to list the redirects

[WikiEN-l] new articles from unconfirmed users queue - where is that these days?

2009-12-06 Thread WereSpielChequers
One place to find new articles from unconfirmed users is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPageshidepatrolled=1 But I also find rich picking at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Empty_pages_for_speedy_deletion And sadly all to often at:

Re: [WikiEN-l] new articles from unconfirmed users queue - where is that these days?

2009-12-06 Thread David Gerard
2009/12/6 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com: One place to find new articles from unconfirmed users is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPageshidepatrolled=1 But I also find rich picking at:

Re: [WikiEN-l] new articles from unconfirmed users queue - where is that these days?

2009-12-06 Thread SlimVirgin
I don't know whether this one is something you'd be interested in, David. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Repetitive_Electrical_Impulse_Noise It looks interesting to me, but I have no technical knowledge, so there could be a problem with it I'm not spotting.

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated

2009-12-06 Thread David Gerard
-- Forwarded message -- From: phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com Date: 2009/12/6 Subject: [Foundation-l] reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org Erik Zachte ran another analysis on the numbers and

Re: [WikiEN-l] new articles from unconfirmed users queue - where is that these days?

2009-12-06 Thread SlimVirgin
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:11, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: This is where what we think of as encyclopedic and what users look up in Wikipedia may differ. I would guess someone got told that was their Internet problem and couldn't find it in Wikipedia, so looked it up and wrote a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM, altally altal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: I've wanted to find out how many redirects I've created, but the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: Thanks! I thought 807 was quite a lot, but then I saw David has created 1224... :-) I daren't ask how many redirects we have in total, though I am sure that is somewhere as well. Aww, just shy of 600 here. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Soxred93
I feel inadequate. 32. :'( -X! On Dec 6, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: Thanks! I thought 807 was quite a lot, but then I saw David has created 1224... :-) I daren't ask how many redirects we have in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Charles Matthews
Soxred93 wrote: I feel inadequate. 32. :'( Well, I have less than 1% of the total. But apparently more than 0.5% Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] For example, imagine a well-meaning newbie who sees that our article Logic starts with Logic is the study of reasoning. This newbie might change that to Logic is the art and science of correct deduction, which is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Soxred93 wrote: I feel inadequate. 32. :'( Well, I have less than 1% of the total. But apparently more than 0.5% That would be around 20,000 redirects! boggle What percentage of your (very high) overall

Re: [WikiEN-l] new articles from unconfirmed users queue - where is that these days?

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:11 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, that'll be my coupla hours' Wikipedia tonight: rescuing articles in the queue ... Also have a look at the article incubator, where articles that barely fail AfD get shunted. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread David Goodman
I usually suggest to new-comers that they first spend some time improving and updating articles in their field of interest to get familiar with both editing mechanics and wikipedia culture. After that, they are ready to write new articles. the two are compatible; some users will always be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: I usually suggest to new-comers that they first spend some time improving and updating articles in their field of interest to get It depends what you mean by newcomer. I think it's easy to make the mistake of assuming a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: While I fully agree with your nowhere near finished position, the argument you presented here is especially weak. All that shows is that the geodata coverage is not especially uniform. Yeah, that map has been popping