Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Charles Matthews
On 30/11/2010 01:46, MuZemike wrote: > And that's another problem that I am seeing more and more of. Call it > simply being lazy, unable to write actual prose, or a combination > thereof; but there are so many articles that get created that have only > one (likely unsourced) sentence, a pretty info

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread MuZemike
And that's another problem that I am seeing more and more of. Call it simply being lazy, unable to write actual prose, or a combination thereof; but there are so many articles that get created that have only one (likely unsourced) sentence, a pretty infobox, a pretty navbox, a table, categories

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Carl (CBM) wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> Is it possible to have a breakdown of the high-end of that? i.e. >> Number of articles from 10,000 bytes upwards in steps of 5,000 bytes? > > Sure, I'll put a table below. Thanks! Car

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > Is it possible to have a breakdown of the high-end of that? i.e. > Number of articles from 10,000 bytes upwards in steps of 5,000 bytes? Sure, I'll put a table below. The number shown under "len" is the bottom end of the length range. > Also,

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Carl (CBM) wrote: > I think it's safe to say that the majority of our articles are "short" > and a significant minority are "very short". Is it possible to have a breakdown of the high-end of that? i.e. Number of articles from 10,000 bytes upwards in steps of 5,0

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Charles Matthews wrote: > Stubs and how to handle them seem to be controversial still (or again), > which is rather surprising given that we have been going nearly a decade > now. I'd like to ask how many articles still are stubs, by some sensible > standard? The

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 November 2010 20:50, Andrew Gray wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanarce > One prose sentence! But on the other hand, a demographic table, and a > map, and an infobox, and some statistics, and a navbox. Stub or not > stub? At this point it may be useful to revive the term "substub".

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 29 November 2010 20:42, Charles Matthews > wrote: > >> So does clicking "Random Article" and (gasp) judging for one's own self >> what is a stub produce a figure very different from 50%? > > I hit random and immediately produced a category

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Andrew Gray
On 29 November 2010 20:42, Charles Matthews wrote: > So does clicking "Random Article" and (gasp) judging for one's own self > what is a stub produce a figure very different from 50%? I hit random and immediately produced a category error :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanarce One prose sent

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Charles Matthews
On 29/11/2010 20:18, MuZemike wrote: > Absolutely agree. There are a lot of articles that are not assessed > (though, for all intents and purposes, WikiProject assessments are not > exactly the same as stub-tagging on the actual article page itself) at > all, as well as a lot of articles that are s

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread MuZemike
Absolutely agree. There are a lot of articles that are not assessed (though, for all intents and purposes, WikiProject assessments are not exactly the same as stub-tagging on the actual article page itself) at all, as well as a lot of articles that are still stub-tagged and are in fact no longe

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Andrew Gray
On 29 November 2010 17:33, Charles Matthews wrote: > Stubs and how to handle them seem to be controversial still (or again), > which is rather surprising given that we have been going nearly a decade > now. I'd like to ask how many articles still are stubs, by some sensible > standard? Currently,

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Charles Matthews
On 29/11/2010 17:59, MuZemike wrote: > Short answer: I think we have made a step in the right direction by > getting five decently-expanded articles as a result of ten stubs. That's my answer also. > However, what about the ones that cannot be expanded? That leads to my > "long answer" below: > > I

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread MuZemike
Short answer: I think we have made a step in the right direction by getting five decently-expanded articles as a result of ten stubs. However, what about the ones that cannot be expanded? That leads to my "long answer" below: It depends on the expandability of the remaining stubs. Are they able

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 November 2010 17:33, Charles Matthews > wrote: > >> Points arise from that, clearly. But I'm hearing quite a lot recently >> from the "glass half empty" people. You know, ten short stubs are >> created, and a year later five are still s

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 November 2010 17:33, Charles Matthews wrote: > Points arise from that, clearly. But I'm hearing quite a lot recently > from the "glass half empty" people. You know, ten short stubs are > created, and a year later five are still stubby, five are much improved. > Are we glad to have five new

[WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread Charles Matthews
Stubs and how to handle them seem to be controversial still (or again), which is rather surprising given that we have been going nearly a decade now. I'd like to ask how many articles still are stubs, by some sensible standard? Points arise from that, clearly. But I'm hearing quite a lot recent