Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread geni
2009/8/24 : > What about "movie stars" ? That's not quite as vague. Can we do that today > without human intervention? People who have been in a film? Or is that too > vague It can be done with say actors and actresses. Fun area since apparently it has number of closely related infoboxes which

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/24/2009 12:23:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: > Birth dates and locations tend to be fairly structured within articles > so are fairly easy to get. Dealing with a term as vauge as "celebrity" > make the task impossible even with human intervention.>>

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread geni
2009/8/24 : > In a message dated 8/24/2009 10:47:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > geni...@gmail.com writes: > > >> Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured >> entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this >> direction.>> >> > > > > "What is the name

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/24/2009 10:47:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: > Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured > entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this > direction.>> > "What is the name of every celebrity born in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/8/24 geni : > >> In practice the end point of Natural language processing and large >> scale digitalisation is likely to be made to request computer >> generated custom articles. Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured >> entries is li

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread geni
2009/8/24 David Gerard : > Yes. Rather a lot of conversations I have with random geeks are along > these lines. > > Basically, infoboxes = machine-readable data = good. So the way to go > there would be to make template plumbing give data more amenable to > chewing on. (Standardised names for templ

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/24 geni : > In practice the end point of Natural language processing and large > scale digitalisation is likely to be made to request computer > generated custom articles. Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured > entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this > di

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread geni
2009/8/24 Carcharoth : > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:36 AM, wrote: > > > >> You silly goose. Don't you realize that when we all have brain implants >> that retain a quintabyte that the internet won't exist at all. We'll be in >> constant streaming twitter mode all the time. There won't be "artic

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-24 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Carcharoth wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:36 AM, wrote: > > > > >> You silly goose. Don't you realize that when we all have brain implants >> that retain a quintabyte that the internet won't exist at all. We'll be in >> constant streaming twitter mode all the time. There won't be "artic

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-23 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:36 AM, wrote: > You silly goose.  Don't you realize that when we all have brain implants > that retain a quintabyte that the internet won't exist at all.  We'll be in > constant streaming twitter mode all the time.  There won't be "articles" per > se, and you won't get

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-23 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/23/2009 1:59:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bodnot...@gmail.com writes: > > Do you think it would be hopelessly superseded by brain implants that > give us access to all knowledge all of the time? Who's to say that > that knowledge wouldn't be provided by Wikipedia?>> > ---

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-23 Thread Tony Sidaway
Of course the whole reason you'd want to put a reference to Vienna into the article on Vienne is that it's a French name, and if you happen to be reading a French text using Wikipedia as a reference it might be useful for you to know that the name Vienne may sometimes refer to a foreign capital. C

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-23 Thread Emily Monroe
> but why do you think that Wikipedia as a non-profit wouldn't be a > part of that? You mean the Wikimedia foundation? Emily On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:58 AM, Bod Notbod wrote: > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM, wrote: > >> The "content" of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay. It's been >> c

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-23 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM, wrote: > The "content" of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay.  It's been > copied so many times by now, that nothing can eradicate it. > Wikipedia itself however probably won't live more than ten more years at > the most :) > > In twenty years, we will live

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-23 Thread Keegan Paul
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:52 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 8/22/2009 11:24:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bodnot...@gmail.com writes: > > > > I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking "everything I do with > > Wikipedia might be a waste of time" because I envision it collapsing, > > dying

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/22/2009 11:24:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bodnot...@gmail.com writes: > I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking "everything I do with > Wikipedia might be a waste of time" because I envision it collapsing, > dying, being fatally attacked or somesuch.>> > -

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, wrote: > I will wager $100 that Wikipedia will be gone long before the sun turns > into a Red Giant. I hope Wikipedia at least outlives me. I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking "everything I do with Wikipedia might be a waste of time" because I envisi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/22/2009 8:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kgnp...@gmail.com writes: > Right well, I'll start brushing up on my Breton and by the time I get > around > to learning Vietnamese the sun will have obliterated the earth and > Wikipedia > as we know it.>>-- I will wager

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/22/2009 8:04:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, carcharot...@googlemail.com writes: > Will, is this genealogy webpage reliable at all? > > http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_vienne.htm > >> Well one thing I always cauti

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/22/2009 6:44:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stv...@gmail.com writes: > How is it claimed that we are bound to English spelling only, and yet > permit all the Nordic, Germanic, and French characters* - few of which > most *English* speakers know the pronunciation of. (*?)>> --

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread Keegan Paul
> > Meanwhile, back on the English Wikipedia, a bot has added loads of > interwikis: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vienne_(disambiguation)&diff=309530294&oldid=309522639 > > I wonder if all those are correct or not? > > Carcharoth > > __

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > And does "Vienne" actually mean anything in French? Google Translate > helpfully tells me that "Vienne" means "Vienna" (yes, we knew that > already). Amongst possibly other things it's the subjunctive third person singular of the verb "venir" (t

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:43 AM, stevertigo wrote: >> carcharot...@googlemail.com writes: >>> *a département of France >>> *a French river >>> *a French city >>> *the French name for Vienna>> > > Shouldn't it be [[Vienne]]? With the lede starting out" >  '''Vienne''' (English spelling: Vienna), is

[WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)

2009-08-22 Thread stevertigo
> carcharot...@googlemail.com writes: >> *a département of France >> *a French river >> *a French city >> *the French name for Vienna>> Shouldn't it be [[Vienne]]? With the lede starting out" '''Vienne''' (English spelling: Vienna), is a city... A bit off topic, but I'd love to throw down and s