On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/9/5 Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
Charles a few things.
You do not need to be in the US to read a
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:14 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
I like that. Make Google Books just one of the options. I can see a
potential problem if we're trying to cite a convenience link directly to a
page number and the book has multiple editions. We'd need to know the
ISBN. If the
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:37:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
Either Google or the publisher/author of the book you viewed. People
get sued for
2009/9/5 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Ok, so it would be publisher or author, then.
And how are they going to find out about it?
The same way file sharers get caught when they share lots of music and
films? It is not likely that anyone would steal enough books in this
manner to make for a
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
They could also try suing Google (again?). Not sure if the terms of the
settlement requires Google to actually keep non-US people away or if it just
requires them to kinda try to keep non-US people away.
Or maybe the
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/9/5 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Ok, so it would be publisher or author, then.
And how are they going to find out about it?
The same way file sharers get caught when they share lots of music and
films?
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Contract violation *is* illegal.
Actionable != illegal. The big difference is that you could walk into
a police station and tell them that you broke a contract or terms of
service, and they'd tell you to have a nice day.
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Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Contract violation *is* illegal.
Actionable != illegal. The big
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Charles
Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8237271.stm
Interesting story there. Hadn't realised there was even a lawsuit in
progress.
With Google books, any student anywhere in the US will
Charles a few things.
You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing
called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which will mask where
you are, and thus allow anyone to read a book as if they were in the US.
Secondly I like the idea of asking Google Books
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
Charles a few things.
You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing
called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which will mask where
you are, and thus allow anyone to read a book as if they were in the US.
That is probably
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
Charles a few things.
You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing
called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which will mask where
you are, and
No people *should* break and ignore stupid rules :)
Just like the pigs do.
What you didn't live during the '60s ?
I mean it's not like you're going to be sued by WMG for 2.4 million .
W.J. fight the man
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2009/9/5 Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
Charles a few things.
You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing
called proxy or super proxy or something of that
Gwern Branwen wrote:
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
Charles a few things.
You do not need to be in the US to read a Google Book. There is a thing
called proxy or super proxy or something of that sort, which
1. Do we have an approved and sensible citation style for GB?
The point is that some people simply paste in the very long GB URL for a
page. I tend to do the other thing, which is to treat it no differently
from a book I have open in front of me.
You do both.
As I understand it , the standard
In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:22:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com writes:
Yup, there is a reason the wjhon...@aol.com mails still have a killfile
chez moi. Managing to miss the point that if a link appears broken to
anyone in the world it might simply get
I forgot to mention that the G Book interface has a list of links on
the left , headed: Get this book. First it lists commercial sources,
and then it almost always lists: Find this book in a library. That
link takes you to the record for the book in WorldCat. You can use the
necessary part
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:10:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
wikim...@inbox.org writes:
But the link should go to a generic page which potentially works with
more sites than just Google Books, like [[Special:BookSources]].
I like that. Make Google Books just one of the options. I can see
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:18:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
Contract violation *is* illegal. (Assuming a website ToS is a binding
contract - has that ever been tested in court?)
Piffle. Who is going to sue? Who has standing to
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:37:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
Either Google or the publisher/author of the book you viewed. People
get sued for bypassing DRM, why couldn't they be sued for bypassing
restrictions on Google books?
Google suffers no damage from
2009/9/5 wjhon...@aol.com:
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:37:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
Either Google or the publisher/author of the book you viewed. People
get sued for bypassing DRM, why couldn't they be sued for bypassing
restrictions on Google books?
When I cite from Google Books I use something like this:
ref name=Wilson{{cite book|last=Wilson|first=Carol|title=Freedom at
risk: the kidnapping of free Blacks in America,
1780–1865|publisher=University Press of
Kentucky|date=1994|pages=43–44|isbn=0813118581|url=
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8237271.stm
Interesting story there. Hadn't realised there was even a lawsuit in progress.
Carcharoth
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