Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-04 Thread Sarah Ewart
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:54 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: The nonsense this can lead to is visible in a current AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hugo Austin , where the nominator's argument is that all the articles on all characters of the famous australian soap opera

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-04 Thread David Goodman
Dear Sarah, We obviously have very different views about these types of article. I think we both have the sense to know we will not convince each other, and I too do not want to argue the general issue here. But the obvious thing is to compromise on combination articles with 1 or 2 para graph

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 5:06 AM, David Goodmandgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: snip The result of trying to delete rather than merge is that people like me , who would be perfectly willing to get rid of the individual articles will instead defend them: I do not care about the separation into

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-02 Thread David Goodman
See WT:RS and related discussions--the primary source is not just accepted for the statement of the basic facts of the plot, but usually preferred for it -- the interpretation of the plot is what needs the secondary sources. Many plot sections, unfortunately, confuse the two--I can not think of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread Surreptitiousness
As a result of the recent RFC on Notability and Fiction, I've drafted an essay at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_and_fiction. Feel free to edit and engage to reach a consensus on the issue, so that the current fractured state of play might be encouraged to heal itself. But

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread Charles Matthews
Surreptitiousness wrote: As a result of the recent RFC on Notability and Fiction, I've drafted an essay at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_and_fiction. Feel free to edit and engage to reach a consensus on the issue, so that the current fractured state of play might be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread Surreptitiousness
Charles Matthews wrote: Surreptitiousness wrote: As a result of the recent RFC on Notability and Fiction, I've drafted an essay at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_and_fiction. Feel free to edit and engage to reach a consensus on the issue, so that the current

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread Andrew Turvey
, English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 12:44:36 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction Charles Matthews wrote: Surreptitiousness wrote: As a result of the recent RFC on Notability and Fiction

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread Surreptitiousness
, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction Charles Matthews wrote: Surreptitiousness wrote: As a result of the recent RFC on Notability and Fiction, I've drafted an essay at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_and_fiction. Feel free

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Surreptitiousness wrote: Currently there is too much bickering and too many people interested more in fighting the good fight than accepting [[WP:IAR]]. There's a reason for this: In a dispute, the side who can point to a rule gets to win. If there are two sides of a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread David Goodman
We arranged it so that rules are extremely important and must be obeyed at all costs--otherwise we couldn't use the rules as a bludgeon against troublemakers Not for notability. We've never boxed ourselves in that much. WP:N remains a guideline, and in fact says it will not always be applicable.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and Fiction

2009-07-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 7/1/2009 5:05:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, andrewrtur...@googlemail.com writes: You're suggesting that [[WP:FICT]] and presumably other specific guidelines should be allowed to depart from the central guideline which would just become a default guideline to be applied